Biblical Christianity 101, a study of the book of Romans

[Redbeard The Pink]

Do you mean the evidence that scientist observe and tell me about?   If you discount observation and testimony as evidence, then I don't believe that science has any evidence either.  There are a great number of things in science, that I have to rely on the observation and accounting of others as evidence.  And while a subjective judgment some of them may be found difficult to believe.  

So I would feel equally justified in saying that there is no evidence for evolution if you are able to use this method to say the same of Christianity.  I don't believe this is correct.  Now if you have actual evidence against or reasons to believe it is untrue, we can discuss it. Even bad evidence is still evidence. And if you are going to make a claim, then the burden of proof is on you to support it.

You might feel justified in saying that, but you'd be wrong. The difference is that you'd be dismissing actual physical evidence as if it isn't there (even though it is), whereas I'm dismissing your evidence because it isn't really evidence.


I see what you're trying to do here. You're trying to make it seem as if theists and skeptics have the same level of/are using the same type of evidence. You've been told that personal experience and testimony are not valid forms of evidence, so you're trying to find a way to make it seem as if science is using personal experience and testimony as its only form of evidence.


This is patently false. Virtually the only thing that matters to science is evidence in the form of empirical data. Evidence by definition can be shown to someone else. If you can't show it, you don't know it. If a scientist tells you something is most likely true, it's because he actually knows a way to show you that it's true. Either he can take you to a piece of material evidence that demonstrates his point, and/or he can carry out a process that demonstrates his point, and/or he can give you enough information that you can duplicate his findings and observe them for yourself. No part of that involves anything so unreliable as eyewitness perception/memory or personal intuition.