Quote:So when Paul (you say, since we have no actual evidence that he was executed; I've been going along with your presumption because there was no point in debating that element, until now) was eventually captured and killed, after using his status as a Roman to get out of an earlier "kangaroo court", as you put it, he wasn't "running"?
The peter and paul martyrdom stories have nothing to back them up. Their deaths are mentioned in 1 Clement (itself probably a second century forgery but that does not matter at the moment) but as you can see:
Quote:There was Peter who by reason of unrighteous jealousy endured not one
not one but many labors, and thus having borne his testimony went to
his appointed place of glory.
By reason of jealousy and strife Paul by his example pointed out the
prize of patient endurance. After that he had been seven times in
bonds, had been driven into exile, had been stoned, had preached in
the East and in the West, he won the noble renown which was the
reward of his faith,
Given the lurid details of how martyrs were ripped limb from limb in later xtian fantasies these two asswipes could have died of old age for all we can tell from "Clement's" comment.
