(October 31, 2015 at 10:24 pm)Evie Wrote:(October 31, 2015 at 9:57 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Theism + intelligent design. Not deism + evolution, actually.
Hmmm... she's told me she's a deist who doesn't follow any religion and believes God just started the process of evolution and then natural selection did the rest.
And yet says things like, "A rock has not yet demonstrated this ability"?
That's not even close to what evolution/abiogenesis claims about the origin of life (well, technically, some of the better hypotheses right now point to the crystalline structure on the surface of certain types of rocks allowing for the chemicals to come together into the structure of the first replicator, but I'm pretty sure that's not what she means), nor about how life evolved.
You cannot be a Deist and believe in Intelligent Design. ID means "fingers meddling with the formula while it bakes". It means that God did not set the laws of the universe and then let it run (the Deist position), but instead got the initial creation wrong, and had to come down to earth to stir the primordial soup somehow, so that it would do what it wouldn't do naturally. That is not Deism.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
