(November 1, 2015 at 6:08 pm)ohreally Wrote: That doesn't address the question of the existence of a god in any way. If all atheists are greedy and selfish and all religious people are humble and pious and giving it doesn't change the fact that god is still magic.
I'm not impressed by someone who voluntarily gives up everything, that is their choice but it's not related to how much good they do or how many people they help.
Good points.
I'm sick of the entire meme of "religion makes people behave better". Not only does it conflict with what we observe in reality (and all of history), but it often provides justification for horrible things, at least as often as it motivates people to be better to one another.
And I'm definitely not impressed by people who give up their lives over religious beliefs. It's no sillier to me to hear about a Christian who performs their "volunteer" activities because they think Jesus wants them to than to hear about a Scientologist who does what Xenu wants, or a person who tells me that the Leprechauns demand that they be kind to others.
Either you're a decent fucking human being, or you're not, and religion changes nothing about that.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
