Exposing the Intellectual Bankruptcy of Atheists Criticizing Religion

[TheRocketSurgeon]

The whole article is spot on. Only after I was Halfway in did I realize Fesser wrote it. And in my experience on AF atheist objections to Aquinas are consistently wrong about what Aquinas actually claimed. They beclown themselves. Its so easy to say the 5w have been or are trivially easy to refute but its another thing altogether to do so. To date no AF  atheist has seriously tackled the Thomist claims.

Are you kidding? Why would we go out of our way to have a conversation about something that is so heavily debunked already? I know you think that no one "gets" Aquinas' arguments, but seriously, Chad, they're not that complicated, and all are based on easily-spotted flaws in basic reasoning and/or simple lack of scientific knowledge in Aquinas' time. But plenty of nonbelievers have tackled these questions, if you just use your powers of Google Fu.

http://www.vorpal.us/2007/10/the-five-wa...dead-ends/

http://patas.co/articles/opinion/refutin...f-aquinas/

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/hallq/2012/...just-suck/

http://atheistnexus.org/profiles/blogs/s...pologetics

There are a few, for starters.

You are coming here with something that is tedious and annoying to debunk, especially since the questions are all effectively variations on the same theme ("I assume _____ therefore _____ must be true"). It should not be hard for you to realize that the reason we don't want to "debate" you on this is because no one outside of Catholicism takes the Five Ways seriously; a few prefer the Kalam version, like William Lane Craig, but in the end it is a bunch of special pleading and "defining God into existence", and it's simply exhausting to break a person who goes into it with so many preconceptions and assumptions of its righteousness. No surprise people would avoid such claimants like the plague!

Do your own homework. Look for reasons it has been debunked, then come present why you think the debunk arguments are invalid; once you make it clear that you know both sides and we won't simply be barking up a tree by talking to you, it might be worth consideration.

In the meantime, take your smug attitude of "you atheists can't disprove THIS!" and shove it far enough up your ass that it blocks the passage to your mouth. Because I'm tired of your shit-talking.