(November 2, 2015 at 1:56 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The "pastoral epistles" (1 and 2 Timothy and Titus ) are known forgeries. If there was a recognizable "paul" ( doubtful ) he sure as shit did not write the pastorals.
True, true... but it's clear that this guy gives not a shit about external criticisms of Pauline authorship (which is why we're having the Ehrman fight), so I didn't see a point in trying to throw another wrench into this by discussing which books that claim to be of Pauline authorship are not in fact written by Paul.
I mean, seriously, Min... this guy is trying to make a book written about Paul agree with a book written by Paul! Think he's gonna see a difference between two books claimed to be by the same author?
If he is going to try to make the entire NT agree with itself, he has to take into account all the writings, including the Pastorals... since he's not about to acknowledge even the possibility of forgery.
Okay, have to run to the store, now. See y'all in 45 mins to an hour. Hopefully.
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
