(November 2, 2015 at 2:16 pm)Drich Wrote:(November 2, 2015 at 1:30 pm)Irrational Wrote: Are you blind? Do you not see that in Acts 17, Paul assumes they were following other gods out of ignorance, whereas in Romans 1, ignorance was never the reason?
wow, it's intresting that you assume the error here is mine.
Yes I see they are worshiping other Gods out of ignorance. Do you see that in Acts that Paul says because of this ignorance they were not deemed evil by God? He simply points out that now they have no excuse and they have been called to repent.
This is in stark contrast to the people Paul describes in Romans 1.
The People in sin of Act's 17 were in sin (worshiping idols) because they did not know any better. They were trying to worship/do right by God. they just did not know Him.
The people of Romans1 embraced their sin which is what made them evil. for them God found fault and turned them over to their evil desires. God wants no part of them.
Your 'expert' wrongly assumes that Acts 17 and Romans 1 describes the same group of people, when clearly it does not. the contrast between acts 17 and romans 1 is describing two different groups of people, (One sinning out of ignorance, but trying to do the right thing. the other willfully and loving embracing their sin which makes them Evil before God) because your 'expert' wrongly assumes that both groups are 'pagan' and therefore share a label of 'evil' before God. both acts 17 and Romans 1 should say the same thing essentally, IF Paul was indeed the author of both. Again not the case.
But, Because your super smart guy (way smarter than drich who cant even spell right) does not understand the nuances between a heart wanting to serve God but trapped in sin/ignorance, and a heart who embraces and loves his sin and hates God for forbidding their sin. your super smart 'expert' fails to see the reasoning for the differences Paul would have to put between the group of Acts 17 and the group of men in Romans 1.
Do you see now?
Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
It isn't about a different group. You're adding to the text, Drich.
Or are you saying that despite what Paul said in Romans 1:20, there are people who still worshiped other gods out of ignorance and did not know of the true God?
Can't twist your way out of this one, Drich. You're not interacting with someone you can play these games with.
