RE: Biblical Christianity 101, a study of the book of Romans
November 3, 2015 at 9:58 am
(This post was last modified: November 3, 2015 at 10:05 am by Drich.)
(November 2, 2015 at 2:34 pm)Irrational Wrote:can you Not see you have to OMIT Context to come up with your conclusion? That your whole arguement will not allow you to honestly quote a complete verse? that you have to subdivide a verse and 'cherry pick' (Logical fallacy) only 1/2 of the verse because the other 1/2 destroys the point your trying to make?(November 2, 2015 at 2:16 pm)Drich Wrote: wow, it's intresting that you assume the error here is mine.
Yes I see they are worshiping other Gods out of ignorance. Do you see that in Acts that Paul says because of this ignorance they were not deemed evil by God? He simply points out that now they have no excuse and they have been called to repent.
This is in stark contrast to the people Paul describes in Romans 1.
The People in sin of Act's 17 were in sin (worshiping idols) because they did not know any better. They were trying to worship/do right by God. they just did not know Him.
The people of Romans1 embraced their sin which is what made them evil. for them God found fault and turned them over to their evil desires. God wants no part of them.
Your 'expert' wrongly assumes that Acts 17 and Romans 1 describes the same group of people, when clearly it does not. the contrast between acts 17 and romans 1 is describing two different groups of people, (One sinning out of ignorance, but trying to do the right thing. the other willfully and loving embracing their sin which makes them Evil before God) because your 'expert' wrongly assumes that both groups are 'pagan' and therefore share a label of 'evil' before God. both acts 17 and Romans 1 should say the same thing essentally, IF Paul was indeed the author of both. Again not the case.
But, Because your super smart guy (way smarter than drich who cant even spell right) does not understand the nuances between a heart wanting to serve God but trapped in sin/ignorance, and a heart who embraces and loves his sin and hates God for forbidding their sin. your super smart 'expert' fails to see the reasoning for the differences Paul would have to put between the group of Acts 17 and the group of men in Romans 1.
Do you see now?
Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
It isn't about a different group. You're adding to the text, Drich.
Or are you saying that despite what Paul said in Romans 1:20, there are people who still worshiped other gods out of ignorance and did not know of the true God?
Can't twist your way out of this one, Drich. You're not interacting with someone you can play these games with.
How low in your intellectual dishonestly are you willing to go to try and save your 'experts' work? To willing omit contextual/consecutive passages because they refute your position is beyond just logical fallacy. You are lying about what a reference says, inorder to build your arguement. If you have to lie about what the bible says inorder to proove the bible wrong, then maybe, just maybe it's not the bible who is wrong.
The Uneddited version of Verse 20: There are things about God that people cannot see—his eternal power and all that makes him God. But since the beginning of the world, those things have been easy for people to understand. They are made clear in what God has made. So people have no excuse for the evil they do.
Again, the people identified in Acts 17 were not identified as evil. They according to Paul were ignorant of their sin. (They were trying to live right, they just did not know about God Which should answer another question/What if someone never heard of God/Jesus will they goto Hell)
Back to Romans 1 the people there have been identified as evil because they are aware of their sin,/violation of the moral law and embrace it. They are not at all like the people of acts 17 because the Acts people are worshiping what they know of God and doing their best to follow the moral law God puts into all of us as Romans 20 forward describes, they were just focused on the wrong idea of God. (which was excused by Paul as ignorance in OT times) Meanwhile the Evil people of Romans 1 ignore this calling to do right and embrace their sin (which can be anything or any combination of things on the list Paul drops in the rest of the chapter.) This embrace or love of sin is what God identifies as Evil. That is why you ommitted the last sentence. Because it changes the whole meaning of the verse from "people" meaning everyone to just the people who practice Evil.
As I told the other 1/2 of team rocket already we know Paul is not talking about 'all people' here because of what I just said, plus in chapter two he identifies another group of people. Those who do not do evil, they just sin. sin and evil according to Paul is not the same thing. Sin is involuntary. the people of acts 17 sinned out of ignorance, while the people of romans 1 identifed their sin, embraced and loved their sin which made them evil. God has no patients for evil people is what Romans 1 is telling us.
That means your 'expert' no matter how held up in your community, is an idiot, and everyone who follows this emperor with no cloths is also a fool.
