RE: Biblical Christianity 101, a study of the book of Romans
November 4, 2015 at 3:54 pm
(This post was last modified: November 4, 2015 at 4:59 pm by jenny1972.)
(October 26, 2015 at 10:30 am)Drich Wrote: Christ's own teaching pointed forward (after his own death) to a time where God would send the Holy Spirit to direct us in day to day life. Jesus never taught anything on how to receive the Holy Spirit. He tasked His Apstoles to to do this job. His was a work of carrying the burden of sin, and showing us by example how to live in a new way. He never taught the details of what his death burial and resurection meant. Why? Because this would re-establish the hierarchy of God, prophet, priest, and person seeking God. The Holy Spirit eliminates the middle men and puts God in direct contact with Everyone who wants that. (which is what happened in the second chapter of the book of Acts/After Jesus ascended)
All that said As a bible based Christian we must reconcile all of the teachings between all the different teachers/books. it's not an either or situation. Everything Christ taught works with everything Paul taught and vise versa.
if " Everything Christ taught works with everything Paul taught and vise versa " then why do you say "we must reconcile all of the teachings between all the different teachers/books" if its clear that there is no contradiction and if truely everything that christ taught works with everything paul taught why the need for apologetics to explain to people how if you just try real hard and interpret in a certain way its not really a contradiction . also 'if the Holy Spirit eliminates the middle men and puts God in direct contact with everyone' , where does jesus come in ? according to most christian theologians jesus , the son of God , not the Holy Spirit enables direct contact to God . i understand different denominations believe different things and everyone interprets differently but ive never heard of a christian who believes jesus is not the connection to God ...
(October 26, 2015 at 10:31 am)Drich Wrote: If you have any teachings of Paul you need reconciled with what Jesus taught now would be a good time to bring that up
Jesus Says The Law Continues, But Paul Says No it doesnt...
Jesus's View on the Law:
Jesus emphasized the validity of the Law up through the passing away of Heaven and Earth, thus confirming its inspiration and ongoing validity. In Matthew 5:17-19 we read:(17) Think not that I came to destroy the Law [of Moses] or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil. (18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the Law, till all things be accomplished [i.e., all things predicted appear on the stage of history]. (19) Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (ASV)Compare Luke 16:17 similarly says at a different time than the Sermon on the Mount -- meaning Jesus repeated the same point twice: " It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law. (Luke 16:16-17 NIV.) and so Jesus can never be accused of seducing any Christian from following the Law (although paul can). Jesus cannot be a false prophet under Deuteronomy 13:5 (false prophet is anyone who has miracles and wonders but seduces you from following the Law). Jesus said the Law remained valid until the Heavens and Earth pass away. This passing of heaven and earth occurs at the end of the Millennium. This is 1000 years after Christ's Second Coming, according to the Book of Revelation.
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."
THAT ^ turns into 'jesus has done away with the Law and we are in a new covenant' ( jesus even spoke about false teachers who would say this very thing )
Paul's View on the Law :
Paul is blunt in Ephesians 2:15, Colossians 2:14, 2 Cor. 3:11-17, Romans 7:1-3 et seq, and Galatians 3:19 et seq. The Law is "abolished," "done away with," "nailed to a tree," "has faded away,' and was "only ordained by angels...who are no gods." If we were to cite Paul's condemnations of the Law in one string, the point is self-evident that Paul abrogated the Law for everyone. See Eph. 2:15 ("setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations"); Col. 2:14 ("having blotted out the bond written in ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us: and he hath taken it out that way, nailing it to the cross;") 2 Cor. 3:14 ("old covenant"); Gal. 5:1 ("yoke of bondage"); Rom. 10:4 ("Christ is the end of the law" opposite of what jesus said ); 2 Cor. 3:7 ("law of death"); Gal. 5:1 ("entangles"); Col. 2:14-17 ("a shadow"); Rom. 3:27 ("law of works"); Rom. 4:15 ("works wrath"); 2 Cor. 3:9 (ministration of condemnation); Gal. 2:16 ("cannot justify"); Gal. 3:21 cannot give life again opposite of what jesus says); Col. 2:14 ("wiped out" exaleipsas); Finally, in Romans 7:1-6, Paul claims when Jesus died, the husband died and this dissolved the Law's bonds between the husband (God of Sinai) and wife (God's people). This "made the law dead to us." (Romans 7:4.)
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today
Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one - John Lennon
The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also - Mark Twain

The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also - Mark Twain