(November 6, 2015 at 12:16 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: since we have both acknowledged that modern translations have been corrupted by inaccuracies its kinda silly to quote these modern corrupted translations and base arguments on what these confused translations say .Where have I acknowledged modern translations have been corrupted at all?
The TRANSLATIONS ARE PERFECT!
YOUR READING/COMPERHENSION Is What Is Corrupt!!! NOT THE TEXT. The Texts Convey Everything Humanly possible going from one language to another. Your inability to read a passage in its context is where your understanding fails.
EVERYTHING You Need to have a full understanding of a passage is in your bible. The problem is you feel you can take verses out of their context, and further abbreviate them and they still retain their same meaning. This is not a translation matrix error This is a user error. That why all I needed to do to refute every single oone of your false claims was to just put your passages Back into their original context.
Quote: i would be interested in knowing what these verses actually said in the original greek but the problem with that is learning the greek language and finding original text in greekDespite muslim and Atheist propaganda, All Legitmate bibles are translated straight from the original greek texts. they are not reinterpretations of some older King James/english type of bible.
Bibles are translated from what are known as Codices/Codex. A codex is a single book or collection of hand written manuscripts, from the 2 or 3 century Some times later.. their are only 4 main codices (compliations of hand written Koine Greek manuscripts/this does not account for denominations who compile their own so they can have their own bible) from which 98% of all common bibles are written. (many many more indivisual manuscripts that support or confirm the indivisual books may say) but only 4 main collections/compliations.
A new codex is compiled when several older more reliable manuscripts are found that change a basic understanding. For instance The King James was translated from the oldest Codex known as the Textus Receptus in 1611. In it one of the commandments reads "thou shalt not Kill." In 1948ish the dead sea scrolls were found this was a massive collection of manuscripts dealing with the Old testament they contained manuscripts that dated back before Christ. In them we had a legitimate source material to see that the 'textus receptus' book of exodus Command Thou shalt not kill, was changed to 'You shall not Murder.' The difference between Kill and Murder?
The proabition on killing makes the taking of ALL Human life wrong. while Murder makes the Unauthorized taking of Human life wrong. In essence Not all life is sacred. Their are hundreds of minor verbage changes between the 4 different codices, but as far as content is concern nothing has changed. This murder example is the biggest change we've had to make since the bible was translated into English.
Now as far as accessing the Text in Greek we have excellent online tools that will allow you to do this. Blueletterbible.org is my favorite because it has all the major translations, tied to their various codices in a searchable concordance/lexicon format.
All those links I left you that you did not read or even bother to click on???.. That was me showing you the greek to English translated and framed in context. (Something you claim no Christian does any more.)
Here is the example I had open when we were discussing mat 5 If the drop down has not been left open click on 'tools'
the interlinear will give you the passage word for word in English stacked next to the greek. each word is assigned a number click on the number and it will define the word show you how it was used and all the different times it was translated one way verse another, and why. Plus it cross references two other greek dictionaries to show you exactly what the word means.
The bibles tab will stack up all the different translations next to each other, click on one translation it will take you to that codex/greek passage where you can have interlinear access to it.
The cross ref tab allows you to see any and all other bibles verses this verse maybe referencing and or other verses that may reference this verse.
Commentaries are just that. Someone explains in painfully great detail every single aspect known of the words and verses here.
the dictionary tab is self explainatory
Misc are usally maps or art work tied to the passage
Any body can use this resource, if they want to know the truth. I am proof of that.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/esv/mat/...onc_934017
We have access to All these codac
