(November 9, 2015 at 11:45 am)jenny1972 Wrote: no i never did quote anything dishonestly or lie about any quotes or fabricate or invent anything so why would i admit to doing that ?That's not true. Every time you quoted 1/2 a verse and gave a full verse denotation you lied about it's meaning.
You admitted in doing wrong because their are at least 5 posts/examples of you doing this directly.
Quote: I said i have no respect for the quotes but im not going to be dishonest about bible verses whether i agree with them or not .That's not true. I've pointed out several instances where you intentionally 'cherry picked' verses by quoting only 1/2 because the second 1/2 would have contradicted your reading of it.
Quote:yes i agree truth speaks for itself and the truth is that the bible contradictsEvery single point of supposed contradiction you left has been over come by a simple full contextual reading of the passage.
You have yet to provide a single contradiction.
Quote: itself in many many places thats why christians have to learn the best ways to convince people that the bible doesnt really say what it says (apologetics)Again, All I've done is take a full reading of what you have cut up and are now in full denial about again.
Quote:you have yet to show even in the bible that it is a sin any worse than eating shellfish , which noone considers a sin , because of the "new covenant"Because you have not asked.
Eating shellfish is still a sin. But like all sin it has been atoned for. Now Ask why eating shellfish is handled differently than sexual sin.
(Let's pretend you honestly want to know and did ask)
The Law was divided up into three sections in the OT. Cermonial law, Communial (of which dietary laws were included) and Moral law.
Moral law demanded a blood sacrifice and a turning of sin/repentance. Dietary concerns simply made one unclean for a few days. a cleaning cermony and quarrentine was all that was required to be absolved of those sins.
Jesus' sacrifice Paid all that was owed.(completing the law) Meaning Jesus' work on the cross paid for the quarrentine time and the cleansiing cermony which means that no longer had to be done. In essence all food was made clean UNLESS you could not reconcile this truth with yourself, then it became a moral law violation.
With a Moral law violation Jesus paided the blood sacrifice part but the repentance is still due/something only you can do. So that means All Moral sin still require the sinner to turn from their sin
Quote:. although homosexuality was widespread Jesus never spoke against it although he spoke against many things .I've answered this already. are you not reading what i write or do I need to break this down to a 3rd grade level?
What i said in my last post to you:
Quote:Again, being Homosexual has absolutely nothing to do with the identification of their sin. They are in sexual sin because they have sex (what Kind is irrelevant) outside the confines of a sanctified marriage, and Jesus did infact speak on/Against that. Their sin is sexual in nature, just like all other sexual sin. Meaning it is not unforgivable IF one repents of it, one will never repent if one can somehow make sin 'moral.'Which BTW is a rehash of the first time I wrote this to you. the post before.
Which means I guess you do not understand.. If this is the case truly I am sorry. i do not mean to speak over your head.
In essence what I am saying, is Homosexuals are no different than anyone else who has sex outside of a sanctified marriage.
Meaning they like everyone else are guilty of have sex outside of marriage. Now if you want to pretend that the bible never says Homosexuality is a sin, then fine lets both pretend it does not say homosexuality is a sin specifically. Now the question then become does the bible say all sex then becomes sanctified/legal? No absolutely not! It says many many times (Even Jesus in Mat 5 supports this) That sex is only permitted in the confines of a sanctified marriage. that means all who practice any type of sex (even the thought of it according to Christ) is guilty of sexual sin. This INCLUDES the Homosexual.
Just because you want to pretend the bible is silent, does not mean the bible grants you permission. Because again ALL SEX OUTSIDE OF A SANCTIFIED MARRIAGE Is Still A SIN!!! Jesus Very Specifically said those people (People steeped in sexual sin) would NOT enter Heaven. This means two things, Homosexuals have always had the 'equality' they've been clammering for, in they are doomed to the same hell as all Heterosexual sexual sinners are, and at the same time have the same oppertuities to repentance as the rest of us do as well.
They just can not embrace their sin, because according to What Paul says in Romans 1, the embracing of sin over God becomes an act of Evil. We All Must repent of our sin. That is the difference between the evil people of Romans 1 and the People who have committed the EXACT Same Acts in Romans 2 but are only identified as 'sinners.' As a sinner one can find forgiveness as an Evil person, their hearts will not seek or accept it.
Quote:so still waiting for you to show that it is even a sin that is worse than eating shellfishDone, next.
Quote: , or worse than any other sin .Which if you would HONESTLY Read what I write (Rather than assume you know my position) you would see I have ALWAYS SAID THIS!!! That is why this study in Romans is important. It will show you (Those who will follow it) that you truly don't understand the basics of Biblical Christianity. That it is a compleletly different religion than what you think.
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and what business of it is yours to judge anyone else even if you do think its a sin .{/quote]
I want to call you a bad name right now, because it is very obvious that you do not read my posts. You read past them looking for key words to argue.
Honestly you need to Read romans 2 all of it tell me what it says and tell me what my position is on Homosexuality, then answer this question on your own, otherwise I will have to shake the dust from my feet with you.
This is beyond a failure to comperhend, You are wasting my time. You are not reading what I write.
Do what I ask and I will pick up where I left off. otherwise know I will not waist any more of my time with you.