RE: Biblical Christianity 101, a study of the book of Romans
November 11, 2015 at 3:13 pm
(This post was last modified: November 11, 2015 at 3:21 pm by jenny1972.)
(November 11, 2015 at 2:32 pm)Drich Wrote:(November 11, 2015 at 12:31 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: i think everyone here is well aware of what christianity believes but drich how do you know that christianity is right other religions have stories written in books too why arent their stories right and yours are right ? what has convinced you what is your evidence that these stories are true and not made up?
On the contrary. I firmly believe, what they say happened to mohammad happened as He says it happend, and for the sake of argument willing to give Joseph Smith a pass as well.. (and as i already stated where i thought greek and Roman gods came from which also have it's roots in reality.)
My objections center around what I used to 'proof' the bible. In that their books make claims/promises that are flat out wrong, or go unfulfilled. Their is a doctrine of faith till you die. I know most of you believe this to be true of Christianity but it is not. We have been given an chance to interact with God in this life. No other religion makes that claim/promise unless one is a prophet. In Christianity we have been given direct access to the Holy Spirit. A promise i took God up on and received. Now because that was true I know the bible to be reliable. Which can not even be claimed in Judaism. Because all other religions put God out of the reach of Man while Christian's purpose is to put man in direct contact with God. Yes their is an after life componet, but where we differ is God wants this relationship in this life as well.
there are many religions that promise direct access to God christianity is not the first or last religion that offers direct access , so if direct access makes a religion true then you should believe in all the religions that teach direct access to God is possible to be also true
christianity/the bible does makes claims/promises that have been flat out wrong and have failed to come to pass
Mark 11:24: " Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. "
In John 14:12-14 we find the same thing:
" I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it. "
Jesus says, " I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these " yet believers and those who have faith cannot walk on water or do any of the things that Jesus was able to do, so this is a promise that has not come to pass .
And when Jesus says, "ask anything in my name, and I will do it," this also is not true. Jesus does not just say it once. He says the same thing several times ...
In Matthew 7:7: "Ask, and it will be given to you." In Matthew 17:20: "Nothing will be impossible for you." In Matthew 21:21: "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."
we can not do the things that Jesus did or greater things , and we cannot receive whatever we ask for in prayer . His deciples could not then and neither can believers today. so i was just wondering what people thought about these promises that have over time proven to be untrue .
Also Jesus told His deciples that "For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom." Matthew 16:27-28 , suggesting it seems that Gods Kingdom would come in their lifetime (for some of them) , which also did not come to pass.
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one - John Lennon
The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also - Mark Twain
The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also - Mark Twain