RE: Biblical Christianity 101, a study of the book of Romans
November 12, 2015 at 3:37 pm
(This post was last modified: November 12, 2015 at 4:27 pm by jenny1972.)
(November 12, 2015 at 9:58 am)Drich Wrote:(November 11, 2015 at 3:13 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: there are many religions that promise direct access to God christianity is not the first or last religion that offers direct access ,Like what? What offers a personal relationship between the believer and their God? Aside from satanism I don't know of anyothers that offer what Christianity offers with their deity, again unless the people were being exploited, prophets or emmesarries.
Now Is that religion now considered to be a 'dead religion?' finally Ask yourself why, and why is Christianity still going strong after making the same promise?
Quote: so if direct access makes a religion true then you should believe in all the religions that teach direct access to God is possible to be also trueIt's not the claim, it is the fulfillment of said claim that makes a religion true.
Again, non of which can be verified in this life aside from Christianity.
Quote:christianity/the bible does makes claims/promises that have been flat out wrong and have failed to come to passEvery single reference you made is out of context. in each case their is a qualifier to "asking in prayer" that you have intentionally left out. Put these verses back in context and the discussion can continue.
Mark 11:24: " Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. "
In John 14:12-14 we find the same thing:
" I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it. "
Jesus says, " I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these " yet believers and those who have faith cannot walk on water or do any of the things that Jesus was able to do, so this is a promise that has not come to pass .
And when Jesus says, "ask anything in my name, and I will do it," this also is not true. Jesus does not just say it once. He says the same thing several times ...
In Matthew 7:7: "Ask, and it will be given to you." In Matthew 17:20: "Nothing will be impossible for you." In Matthew 21:21: "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."
Quote:we can not do the things that Jesus did or greater things , and we cannot receive whatever we ask for in prayer . His deciples could not then and neither can believers today. so i was just wondering what people thought about these promises that have over time proven to be untrue .Again context.Who was Jesus speaking to?
Quote:Also Jesus told His deciples that "For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom." Matthew 16:27-28 , suggesting it seems that Gods Kingdom would come in their lifetime (for some of them) , which also did not come to pass.What do you think the book of Revelation is? (It is a visual account of the "Son of man" Comming in glory) Who wrote Revelation? (The Apostle In whom Jesus Loved/John) Did He write it before or after he died? I'll let you figure that one out.
What else you got?
why should people take johns hallucination and presume its from God and not the result of lying or drug or a result of some other factor you are literally taking this persons account as truth noone else saw this but him he was not an unbiased witness , how do you know it happened 2000+yrs ago how do you know these people are reliable that it wasnt you are basing your entire religious faith on the testomony of a person , why should anyone trust any of it because its come true ? ummm nooo it has not do you realize the book or revelations hallucination that john had is responsible for confusion among people you know by the fruits , do you even know how many dooms day cults and predictions and people who are upeople anyone care about the details of fairy tales that seems like a waste of time if it is true then of course youd want to study it but to determine if something is true to need investigate IF its from God and then if the testomony hasnt been corrupted by church politics and human error is perception and memory the gospels were written from the memory of his followers who were influenced by their culture as much as any other person is
your religion direct access to God only through jesus so jesus serves as the go between and so really no you dont have direct direct access to God through your religion , why is your religion true and others not true what has convinced you cant say because everything has come to pass because they have not catholics for example and catholocism is the base of all christianity you need a priest or clergy appointed by God as a middleman . between them then jesus .you are believing without seriously questioning these people puttting together and being responsible for the book that the masses were given . are you catholic ? and your religion practed idolatry catholics actually pray to a virgin mary statues and crosses are prayed to the cross is an idol everyone interprets in their own way that is the reason for denominations it all looks exactly like a product of human creativity and superstition . no different that any other religion
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one - John Lennon
The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also - Mark Twain
The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also - Mark Twain