Biblical Morality

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Once again: HOW can faith have any bearing on the existence of God?

I don't understand your question. Let me say what I think you're asking:
Q. How can our unprovable idea that God exists have any bearing on God's actual existence or not.
A. It cannot. If God exists, it is outside of our sphere of proof.

So what's the point? The point is this enables a huge opportunity for any individual to experience life the best we possibly can. I think that's no small thing.

No one is tied to the idea. Everyone has complete liberty under this system to do whatever they like, without condemnation at all from those who do.

Don't just tell me that it does.

Have I EVER said "because it does"?

I don't do that. I require rational explanation for everything.

Well it doesn't need to be proved that it isn't untill you've given any evidence that it IS internally consistent.

A through example of scholarly explanations of every chapter in the bible is on Bible Gateway. There lies proof of the complete internal consistancy. On the other hand, the evidence for the opposition is the ignorant (I choose the word carefully) skeptics bible.

You say that God is 'true for you'. But then you say that he is true but some just don't see it. So there aren't you suggesting that he isn't just 'true for you' but true in reality? It's just 'some don't see it'. In which case: Where is the evidence?

If you believe that God exists, then you can't believe he only exists for some people and not for others. That seems impossible to me. This was your idea that God can and can't exist at the same time. You explain it to me!

If you are supposed to have some ability to see God that we can't. Then you can't merely assert to us that belief in God shouldn't require evidence like every other belief. You have to give evidence. If you can't and just say that we can't 'see it'. Then you can't expect us to accept the idea that the existence of God should be treated as a special case and not treated the same as the existence of anything else. Or that 'faith' somehow has any bearing without showing how on earth it possibily does.

I never said I can physically 'see' anything. That would be inconsistent, even ridiculous given my repeated assertions.

I can assert to you that belief in God requires no evidence, because that is the definition of religious belief.

This is the whole point. Christianity isn't a science, it's a religion. The rules of science don't apply. The consistent message of the bible is of faith in what we cannot see.

Faith is to believe what we cannot see; and the reward of faith is to see what we believe.

How exactly does 'belief without evidence' have bearing on the existence of God? If we can't 'see it' as you so claim; don't expect us to simply trust you on that and treat the existence of God as a special case. The existence of God should require evidence like any other existence claim.

You can't trust me on it, that's the whole point. You have to have faith yourself to get it. It's completely an individual choice.

Personally; if I heard God's voice and/or felt really inspired and/or felt some /presence or 'saw God'. I would think I was hallucinating, hearing voices, etc.....

So would I

OR merely misinterpretting the beauty of the natural world and reality as it really is; as something Godly - and for example: seeing a designer where there isn't one.

The pathetic 'argument from beauty' and the destroyed 'argument from design', etc.

That has to always be a possibility. Nice that people get 'feelings' of confirmation that what they're doing is right, that way down in primeval instinct perhaps something stirs to make you shiver.

Humanity has struggled to describe what's going on. and religious language has described it completely and perfectly. The fashion is to rubbish reasonable wisdom and replace it with nothing, because it isn't described in a scientific way. Why should we be brainwashed by scientists to throw away what they don't yet understand because even though there is absolutely no hope just yet of this ever happening, it just might happen, but maybe not.