RE: Strict gun control in france.
November 20, 2015 at 5:42 am
(This post was last modified: November 20, 2015 at 5:48 am by I_am_not_mafia.)
Regardless of whether the gun is stolen or not, you are still funding a massive industry with a vested interest in removing gun controls that can and does lobby the government. The more money they have the more effectively they can lobby the government.
This entire conversation came about though because of your response to my post:
You replied with:
I am still confused as to why Americans are so obsessed with their guns. It's been a few days now and I still can't think of another country so obsessed with a single subject.
But if you are not arguing that gun ownership is a defence against the erosion of civil liberties as you later stated, then you must be saying that your rights to own and play with guns as a hobby are being infringed. Unless there is some other reason that you need to use a handgun?
This would strike me as a first world problem, except that no other first world countries have America's gun problem.
Do you deny that if stricter gun controls were to be brought in that the gun industry would not be so profitable? There would be fewer guns, bullets and accessories manufactured. Do you deny that gun industry uses its profits to lobby your government?
http://financesonline.com/the-nra-is-lob...the-bills/
So what you are arguing is that you are prepared to live in a society where violence can be more easily and effectively carried out so that you can enjoy playing with your guns?
If you argue that you need a handgun for self defence rather than just as a hobby, then your argument about them not being stolen becomes void because to be useful they first need to be assembled and carried. And if your society is so violent that you need a gun for self defence then you need reduce the proliferation of guns, not encourage it.
You do seem like a responsible gun owner and I can understand you wanting more gun control. The fact is that America does have a massive and chronic gun problem. In another country, like Germany for example, there would be no problem with you continuing to enjoy your guns. But there are other hobbies with far lower costs to others in society.
This entire conversation came about though because of your response to my post:
(November 17, 2015 at 12:53 pm)Mathilda Wrote: What other country is so obsessed with a single subject? There are more gun threads started on forums with Americans than threads about cars, sex, computers or video games.
That right there tells you that America has a problem with guns in one form or another.
You replied with:
(November 17, 2015 at 12:57 pm)Rhythm Wrote: It tells you we have a problem with the possibility of an erosion of our rights based upon shitty logic and political opportunism. Just a small thing to you, I know..............I know............
I am still confused as to why Americans are so obsessed with their guns. It's been a few days now and I still can't think of another country so obsessed with a single subject.
But if you are not arguing that gun ownership is a defence against the erosion of civil liberties as you later stated, then you must be saying that your rights to own and play with guns as a hobby are being infringed. Unless there is some other reason that you need to use a handgun?
This would strike me as a first world problem, except that no other first world countries have America's gun problem.
Do you deny that if stricter gun controls were to be brought in that the gun industry would not be so profitable? There would be fewer guns, bullets and accessories manufactured. Do you deny that gun industry uses its profits to lobby your government?
http://financesonline.com/the-nra-is-lob...the-bills/
So what you are arguing is that you are prepared to live in a society where violence can be more easily and effectively carried out so that you can enjoy playing with your guns?
If you argue that you need a handgun for self defence rather than just as a hobby, then your argument about them not being stolen becomes void because to be useful they first need to be assembled and carried. And if your society is so violent that you need a gun for self defence then you need reduce the proliferation of guns, not encourage it.
(November 19, 2015 at 11:40 pm)Rhythm Wrote: The situation is infuriating...as a shooter, I'm sure that comes across in my posts, lol. I've spent more than three decades getting good at this, it's a perishable skill, I used it in our service, and it brings me great happiness while harming -no one-. I don't even understand why there's a need to explain myself, why I'm put on the defensive by my peers for having the audacity to own a firearm; why a person would even suggest that I may be part of our problem.
You do seem like a responsible gun owner and I can understand you wanting more gun control. The fact is that America does have a massive and chronic gun problem. In another country, like Germany for example, there would be no problem with you continuing to enjoy your guns. But there are other hobbies with far lower costs to others in society.