Convert me if you can

[Rayaan]

And again, I find it revealing that Muslims keep coming back to the Koran as proof of the Koran's claims. Even Christians try to come up with scraps of outside, corroborating evidence. Surely the Muslims would if it were available. The fact that they don't suggests that the Koran has ZERO corroborating evidence for all Muhammad's claims.

So, what you're saying is that the Christians use outside corroborating evidence in addition to the Bible whereas the Muslims only use the Quran itself. But that is actually incorrect. Why? Because in Islam there is something called hadith, which are basically narrations concerning the words and deeds of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in regard to Islamic matters. The authenticity of hadiths are strengthened by a sound chain of narration and by numerous, corroborating reports. The hadiths are an important part of preserving the teachings of Islam (in addition to the Quran).

Islam seems far more crude for reasons I've already discussed.

And this reveals a contradiction between two of your arguments on Islam and Christianity, which are:

1. Islam seems to be far more crude than Christianity for several reasons.
2. That there's not a dime's worth of difference between Islam and Christianity, which you have clearly said in this thread.

Also, you're just repeating the same thing that Islam has no substance whatsoever except that a guy (Muhammad) comes along in a different country and many years later after Jesus to claim that "God spoke to me," as if this is something different from what was said by Jesus or any of the other prophets. Here's what you what you said in a different thread:

Islam is a bit more crude. I can sum it up in seven words: "Some guy claimed God spoke to him".

Again, the "God spoke to me" argument of yours can also be applied to Jesus and all the other prophets of the Abrahamic religions, not only Muhammad (pbuh). Therefore, it's not a rational thing to single out only Muhammad from the other prophets in such a manner as to justify that this is what makes Islam a little more "crude" than Christianity, which is obviously wrong because that's an over-simplification of Islam, and secondly, the same thing can be said for Christianity also (that "some guy claimed that God spoke to him"). How is that any different from Islam?

As I already mentioned before, there are many authenticated hadiths (or narrations) from the mouths of various people who lived during Muhammad's own lifetime which serve as eye-witness accounts of his actions, character, and his teachings. Furthermore, I can make a whole topic on the science of hadith collection and authentication if you want me to.

The point is that Islam is really not that crude as you're making it sound like. I could easily discredit Christianity based on the same logic that you're using to discredit Islam.

So the arguments for Islam so far include:

1. Success (same could be said for Christianity)
2. Oooooh, pretty poetry.

And what do you have for Christianity?

Btw, let's not forget that you were role-playing in which of the two religions (Islam and Christianity) is more likely to be the right religion:

Let's pretend that I've decided I need religion in my life. I've decided to choose between Christianity and Islam.

But, I still haven't heard of any logical arguments on why Christianity has a greater chance of being the true religion than Islam, or more specifically, why the Bible is more likely to be the word of God than the Quran. And I already dismantled your "Islam is more crude than Christianity" argument.

If you still disagree with my comments, then I think you should make a separate thread so that you can clearly and intelligibly outline all the reasons on why you think that Christianity has more authenticity than Islam by comparing the two religions for each of the arguments that you raise. But you probably won't do it, because you already said that there's "not a dime's worth of difference" between Islam and Christianity, right? It wouldn't a make a lot of sense to choose Christianity over Islam as the right religion if that's the case.