Biblical Morality

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Scientists as scientists know diddly squat about religion - was what I was saying. I would be surprised to hear that scientists were in fact theologians.

That has to rank as one of the most spectacularly stupid things I've ever heard anyone say ... not only does the Catholic Church do an awful lot of science (their speciality is cosmology but I doubt it stops there) but have you never heard of Professor Sir John Polkinghorne?

Look, it's simple - in science college you don't learn about theology, science or religion, you learn about science. Scientists are not also theologians BY TRAINING. OF COURSE you can be a scientist AND a theologian.

Dawkins is stunningly ignorant about religion, and prides himself in telling people exactly what it's all about.

Apparently you missed the fact that he wrote a book called, "The God Delusion" hmmm? Like it love it, agree or disagree, hate it or whatever there can be no denying he knows an awful lot about religion.

He STILL KNOWS SWEET F ALL ABOUT RELIGION. I've read the book. I know. The whole thing is about how, as a scientist, he has no clue what it's about at all. He doesn't get it.

It was made very clear to me that responding to people in the manner that I'm used to, as we may normally converse with our peers, was VERY unacceptable on this forum.

I know nothing of this.

Well you've been commenting on the threads. Apparently you haven't been reading them as well???

No hard feelings at all.

No feelings one way or the other.

Nice. Thanks.

I would say you're confused about what truth is. You seem to be saying that 'truth' is only knowable through science, even though science based on facts is movable.

Nope, I'm saying truth has nothing to do with science and, math excepted, it varies.

I'm just repeating what you said Kyu. Perhaps you should just argue with yourself in private.

Note the two phrases I highlighted.

I think it revealing that you refer to science as philosophy. This is the problem.. science has nothing to do with philosophy.

Wrong philosophy means "to seek knowledge" and, to date, the only methodology that has ever explained anything in any verifiable form is science... science is actually the only real philosophy.

n., pl. -phies.
Love and pursuit of wisdom by intellectual means and moral self-discipline.
Investigation of the nature, causes, or principles of reality, knowledge, or values, based on logical reasoning rather than empirical methods.
A system of thought based on or involving such inquiry: the philosophy of Hume.
The critical analysis of fundamental assumptions or beliefs.
The disciplines presented in university curriculums of science and the liberal arts, except medicine, law, and theology.
The discipline comprising logic, ethics, aesthetics, metaphysics, and epistemology.
A set of ideas or beliefs relating to a particular field or activity; an underlying theory: an original philosophy of advertising.
A system of values by which one lives: has an unusual philosophy of life.

I don't see anything there that agrees with you. Do you?

Many anti-theists slate religion for having unmovable truths. Yet here you are complaining that religious truth is variable.

Such as?

Which unmovable truths?

There is a God. He made everything. The ten commandments. The beatitudes. The list is endless.

Those things which Christians feel can be claimed as truth are written in the bible.

Meaningless sure

Back that up.

Reality, facts, the understanding of the physical universe are in the realm of science. Theological truth and scientific fact never address the same issue.

Actually both science and religion attempt to answer the same questions ... the difference is that religion is nearly always wrong.

Christianity NEVER asks those questions. Idiot fundies may do, and dumb scientists with no understanding of what the real question is may do, but Christianity never does. Give me evidence of one question about the physical universe that Christianity answers please. That should be an easy one

There are many theories about the genealogy. Legal vs biological; male vs female; Jewish saviour vs saviour of mankind. Take your pick.

Answer the question!

I did! 3 times!

Judas hung himself and his bowels fell out of his body being ripped open by the cord. The Chief Priests then bought a field in his name. Two accounts saying the same thing.

Explain the difference!

The two accounts were written in a different style, but both speak about the same thing. It's not a very contentious issue.