(November 25, 2015 at 11:24 am)Clueless Morgan Wrote:(November 25, 2015 at 10:43 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: There is no scientific discovery that disproves God, in my eyes. And I believe in science. I don't see any conflict between science and my faith.
Likewise, there's no scientific discovery that proves a god, either, so using that statement to help justify a theistic position is an argument from ignorance.
In my mind it is fundamentally problematic that so many things that have been claimed to be the will of a god or the hand of a god acting in this world have been shown to have natural causes. And appealing to a god who works through nature is problematic as well because then you have (1) a god who decides that of all the possible universes it could have created, the one in which people die by being buried alive in landslides and in misery as they waste away from cancer and disease is the one to choose, and (2) you end up with a god who is indistinguishable from nature which leads to the question of "how do you even know this god exists in the first place?" Occam's razor would cut that god right out of the picture; there's no need to invoke a god when you can appeal to nature itself.
Which ultimately comes back to the problem of the omnis that Simon Moon was talking about back in post 47 (before I sidetracked things...):
(November 24, 2015 at 3:22 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Inserting the word "natural", where does your god fit in the following by Epicurus:
Is God willing to prevent natural evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh natural evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
So, Cathy, do you believe that god is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent?
Yes mam, I do.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh