I'm back from the holiday break Hope everyone had a nice long weekend like I did, and was refreshed by the break. So now we get back to Romans 8:
this block of text here is what I use to teach people to pray, in that I tell them that don't try and follow a traditional prayer or don't try and make it sound holy or dress it in thee's and thou's.. Just speak plainly. If your mad, let the anger out. If your unsure, let that be known. This block of text tells us that the Holy SPirit is who addresses The Father on our behalf. It's (thankfully not us) so you don't have to pretend to be something or someone you are not. Just put it out their and let the Holy Spirit do His job.
Quote:18 We have sufferings now, but these are nothing compared to the great glory that will be given to us. 19 Everything that God made is waiting with excitement for the time when he will show the world who his children are. The whole world wants very much for that to happen. 20 Everything God made was allowed to become like something that cannot fulfill its purpose. That was not its choice, but God made it happen with this hope in view: 21 That the creation would be made free from ruin—that everything God made would have the same freedom and glory that belong to God’s children.Here Paul talks about all of creation yearning to get back to what god had originally intended. That now the 'we'/saved and the whole planet suffers and wants to fulfill our purpose for being created to begin with. In the next block of text we are compared to a woman in labor, 'that we have the Holy Spirit, but we also desperately want our bodies to be made free.' Meaning we have the freedom to choose Spiritually to reach out to God but as explained in our last Chapter we are still physical slaves to sin. So we look forward to the time where we are made new, free from the pain of being slaves to sin.
Quote:22 We know that everything God made has been waiting until now in pain like a woman ready to give birth to a child. 23 Not only the world, but we also have been waiting with pain inside us. We have the Spirit as the first part of God’s promise. So we are waiting for God to finish making us his own children. I mean we are waiting for our bodies to be made free. 24 We were saved to have this hope. If we can see what we are waiting for, that is not really hope. People don’t hope for something they already have. 25 But we are hoping for something we don’t have yet, and we are waiting for it patiently.
Quote:26 Also, the Spirit helps us. We are very weak, but the Spirit helps us with our weakness. We don’t know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit himself speaks to God for us. He begs God for us, speaking to him with feelings too deep for words. 27 God already knows our deepest thoughts. And he understands what the Spirit is saying, because the Spirit speaks for his people in the way that agrees with what God wants.Starting at 26 we learn that Until the time where we are literally born again/Resurrected We have been given the Holy Spirit to intercede for us. To take our corrupt prayers and petitions to God the Father on our behalf.
this block of text here is what I use to teach people to pray, in that I tell them that don't try and follow a traditional prayer or don't try and make it sound holy or dress it in thee's and thou's.. Just speak plainly. If your mad, let the anger out. If your unsure, let that be known. This block of text tells us that the Holy SPirit is who addresses The Father on our behalf. It's (thankfully not us) so you don't have to pretend to be something or someone you are not. Just put it out their and let the Holy Spirit do His job.
Quote:31 So what should we say about this? If God is for us, no one can stand against us. And God is with us. 32 He even let his own Son suffer for us. God gave his Son for all of us. So now with Jesus, God will surely give us all things. 33 Who can accuse the people God has chosen? No one! God is the one who makes them right. 34 Who can say that God’s people are guilty? No one! Christ Jesus died for us, but that is not all. He was also raised from death. And now he is at God’s right side, speaking to him for us. 35 Can anything separate us from Christ’s love? Can trouble or problems or persecution separate us from his love? If we have no food or clothes or face danger or even death, will that separate us from his love? 36 As the Scriptures say,“For you we are in danger of death all the time.Here Paul is teaching his version of the once Saved always saved 'doctrine.' It differs in so faar as the religious doctrine by stating previously that Jesus is the only being who can give us the title 'Christian.' Meaning we can not truly ever call ourselves Christian simply by following a given church procedure or doctrine. That nothing in the church can make us 'Christian.' That is the job/role of Christ. When Christ does identifies us as 'Christian,' then nothing can take that title away. This means people, preist (excommunication) Angels, (good or bad) sin ect.. We are forever dealed by Christ. But again claiming Christianity is not being Christian. That is a title only Christ can give.
People think we are worth no more than sheep to be killed.”
37 But in all these troubles we have complete victory through God, who has shown his love for us. 38-39 Yes, I am sure that nothing can separate us from God’s love—not death, life, angels, or ruling spirits. I am sure that nothing now, nothing in the future, no powers, nothing above us or nothing below us—nothing in the whole created world—will ever be able to separate us from the love God has shown us in Christ Jesus our Lord.
