RE: Christian argued that everything must have a creator
November 30, 2015 at 11:41 pm
(This post was last modified: December 1, 2015 at 12:06 am by jcvamp.)
(November 30, 2015 at 6:59 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I'm not sure why anyone is taking issue with my post. The OP asked if his own argument was a good one to make to his theist friend. My response was that no, the argument does not work because the very point of believing in God is to believe that He is a supernatural being who is not bound by the same laws of nature that we are. One of those laws being the fact that we all had a specific point in time when our existence began. The argument would only make sense if the particular god the person believed in was not supernatural... but if that was the case, he wouldn't be a god in the first place.
I appreciate your response. It's difficult to comment on the idea that the Christian god is external to the laws of the universe, and therefore isn't subject to them, because it's a level of reality that nobody can prove or disprove exists. In terms of deductive reasoning, it still doesn't make sense to argue that everything has a creator therefore there must be something that doesn't have a creator (which is what the guy was arguing), nor does it make sense to assume that said creator must be the Christian god. To logically come to the conclusion that a god of any kind created us, you'd have to first prove that a god exists. The fact that I had parents, and my parents had parents doesn't provide any proof that a god exists.
(November 30, 2015 at 6:42 pm)Quantum Wrote: No, but if there is a personal god which wields tese powers, it is very important to know what it is up to and what it thinks in order to try and avoid an eternity of unpleasant torment, just in case...We're starting to veer into the territory of Pascal's Wager here. My response to that is this. If the fate of my immortal soul is contingent on believing in a god, why wouldn't that god make his existence obvious? Why would he endow us with the ability to use logic, then punish us for using it, instead expecting us to rely on faith (the absence of logic)?
I wouldn't worship a god who thought it was okay for good people to burn for eternity for using their god given intelligence. I wouldn't even worship a god that thought it was okay for bad people to burn for eternity; an infinite punishment is disproportionate to a finite sin. If it's a choice between following the laws of the god of the Bible, who condones and even advocates as many atrocities as he does, in case he decides to give me a spanking, or following my own morality and trying to live the best life I can just because I think it's the right thing to do, I'd choose to follow my own morality.
