RE: Christian argued that everything must have a creator
December 1, 2015 at 7:24 am
(This post was last modified: December 1, 2015 at 7:33 am by robvalue.)
(December 1, 2015 at 6:41 am)Quantum Wrote:(November 30, 2015 at 7:13 pm)robvalue Wrote: I thought of a better way to state my position about weird "gods" ordering me to dance around like a bitch, or else I'll be punished:
I don't negotiate with terrorists.
But you hopefully are interested in whether *there is a terrorist*?
It would be interesting, sure. It would be new knowledge, and it would be hilarious that the "Mafia Boss" insane cartoon character God turned out to be a real thing. It just wouldn't change anything if I did find it out. It would also suck, if I thought there was any chance he could actually carry out these after-death threats. We would have a maniac in control, and we'd be screwed. But there's nothing anyone could do about it, unless we found some other God that could oust him.
I'm just as worried that there's an invisible sniper somewhere, who's going to shoot me when I've taken a certain amount of steps. I can't worry about every ridiculous nonsense idea; "God" is no more credible than anything else.
Even if god starts coming down and actually knee-capping me, I'm still not going to do his dirty work. The idea that a god wants to manipulate his own creation into going and pissing off some gay people rather than just doing it himself, is so laughable. Hence the hilarity if that turned out to be the case. It would be more akin to me playing some sort of strategy game, screwing around with it, and not realising the pieces have become aware.
There was actually a Stargate Atlantis episode based around this very idea; Rodney and Shephard were playing a "game" and were totally unaware that the inhabitants of the worlds they were manipulating were conscious until much later.
As for the primary argument, it's easily defeated thusly:
Either there are one or more things that exist that didn't need a creator, or there isn't.
If there is, how did you rule out the universe being one of them?
If there isn't, God also needs a creator.
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