https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=ERV
If you want to read chapter 9 it is in the link above.
Chapter 9 deals with the topic of predestination, and really needs to be read in it's entirety from beginning to end to have a complete understanding of what is being said, however I will take small passages out and discuss them as I would assume if you all read what was in chapter 9 you might have a question on these subjects.
verses 1-5 Paul is beginning to talk about the jews and what God has planned for them/their role in or under the new covenant.
verses 6-13 Paul identifies with in the jewish community certain figure heads Abraham, Isaac, Esau etc. and how God used certain indivisuals for great and glorious purposes and other Paul says God hated. (and if you were to go back and actually read those stories God gives reasons as to why he hated certain people) This passage also dispels the doctrinal Christianity's notion that God is omnibenevolent.
In 19-29 we come across this block of text:
Now many Atheist arguments have quoted this passage as a way to blame God for their Atheism. To which I always point back to context. In context Paul is using this argument to identify why not all JEWS have not converted to Christianity. not why you 'good people' are atheist. I can I say this for sure? Again context if we keep reading we come across this:
Again Here Paul is specifically referencing the Jews as being the ones who stumble, and the gentiles (Everyone else) are or can be made right by simple faith.
If you want to read chapter 9 it is in the link above.
Chapter 9 deals with the topic of predestination, and really needs to be read in it's entirety from beginning to end to have a complete understanding of what is being said, however I will take small passages out and discuss them as I would assume if you all read what was in chapter 9 you might have a question on these subjects.
verses 1-5 Paul is beginning to talk about the jews and what God has planned for them/their role in or under the new covenant.
verses 6-13 Paul identifies with in the jewish community certain figure heads Abraham, Isaac, Esau etc. and how God used certain indivisuals for great and glorious purposes and other Paul says God hated. (and if you were to go back and actually read those stories God gives reasons as to why he hated certain people) This passage also dispels the doctrinal Christianity's notion that God is omnibenevolent.
In 19-29 we come across this block of text:
Quote: 19 So one of you will ask me, “If God controls what we do, why does he blame us for our sins?” 20 Don’t ask that. You are only human and have no right to question God. A clay jar does not question the one who made it. It does not say, “Why did you make me like this?” 21 The one who makes the jar can make anything he wants. He uses the same clay to make different things. He might make one thing for special purposes and another for daily use.
Now many Atheist arguments have quoted this passage as a way to blame God for their Atheism. To which I always point back to context. In context Paul is using this argument to identify why not all JEWS have not converted to Christianity. not why you 'good people' are atheist. I can I say this for sure? Again context if we keep reading we come across this:
Quote: 30 So what does all this mean? It means that people who are not Jews were made right with God because of their faith, even though they were not trying to make themselves right. 31 And the people of Israel, who tried to make themselves right with God by following the law, did not succeed. 32 They failed because they tried to make themselves right by the things they did. They did not trust in God to make them right. They fell over the stone that makes people fall.
Again Here Paul is specifically referencing the Jews as being the ones who stumble, and the gentiles (Everyone else) are or can be made right by simple faith.
