(December 4, 2015 at 7:06 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote:(December 3, 2015 at 11:09 pm)marko Wrote: You guys are funny. You really believe you are outside the box. We all believe what makes us comfy, to a point. I have no evidence, but neither do you. [...]
And consequently - we don't demand that the entire world bows down before our imaginary friend and adheres to his "will". And yet the believers do... We don't demand tax-exempt status for our organizations. The believers do... We don't waste a lot of time making sniveling yet insincere apologies for arbitrary transgressions, to invisible tyrants, existence of which cannot be proven. The believers - do... We don't beg supernatural forces for help with our personal problems and responsibilities. The believers, of course do.
We do however treat this life as if it's the only one we have and try to postpone death as much as possible. So do the believers, oddly enough... In fact - the believers do everything that atheists do - and then some exclusive stuff with no evident positive consequences, like praying, building worship sites, protesting against freedom of speech, etc.
So what are we supposed to prove to you? That you should wear seat-belts and look around before crossing the street, because god is not going to protect you and when you die - it's game over? Well, you guys seem to have figured that out by yourselves...
(December 4, 2015 at 1:54 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:marko Wrote:This is good, a lot of you have said this, but I like how this is worded. " Not believing is the default position". Now if only it can be said without the baggage of evolution following behind. I have a question, do you believe in evolution as a fallback to believe in something, as the National Acadamy of Sciences tells you to, or do you believe in evolution for the sake of evolution itself.'' Not believing is the default position'' can stand on its own. I think it would do atheism better to leave it out.
I accept the basic claims of evolution as being the best explanation for the diversity of life because I studied it and found the evidence convincing. My assumption going in was that it was false. Instead, I found that literally everything I had been taught as a young earth creationist was untrue. However, that did not rule out a God who initiated a universe conducive to the development of life, it just ruled out Christian and Muslim and as far as I know, all the other religious creation stories about how we got plants and animals.
Atheism does leave it out. It is a separate topic. Atheism and theism are contrary opinions on a single topic. But you're trying to get at why people become atheists, and finding out that creationism is false can be a contributing factor, if you were raised to believe that not only is creationism true, you have to believe it to be a Christian (or Muslim and so on).
(December 4, 2015 at 2:06 pm)Laika Wrote:(December 3, 2015 at 11:09 pm)marko Wrote: You guys are funny. You really believe you are outside the box. We all believe what makes us comfy, to a point. I have no evidence, but neither do you. You don't even know you need evidence, "I am an athiest". You think that is a catch all phrase. We all need evidence. Mine is found inside myself, yours is found outside yourself. We all wonder why bad things happen to good people, why do we love, where does hate, justice, etc. come from, whats it all about. You put on a front like it dosn't matter, or you never think of such things. You think its from our neurons or whatever. I'm sure you believe in evolution, talk about your mental masterbation. But you do believe its from something. Come back down to Earth. And one more thing, thanks for the comment about my english--Public Schools
I wonder how many Christians have to come through this site, make threads where they claim that there's "no evidence for no God", and then completely ignore or refuse to acknowledge the responses given to them, before they realize THEY are the ones with the burden of proof. Research Russel's Teapot, marko. It gives detailed explanation as to why atheists don't need to "prove" anything.
Homeless Nutter- I'v been lumped
Mr Agenda I agree with a lot of what you say
Laika- I have skimmed past plenty of responses, to which one do you refer
As far as hate, rejecting God, and some others, they have been covered in previous posts.
This thread has taken a turn. For those of you who are not caught up, I simply asked what brought you to be an atheist. I'v read some excellent responses which has helped. As I stated early on, the atheists I know are flippant, and I knew their were deeper reasons. But now I feel I am defending myself for some reason, which is fine. After all, this is an atheist forum. But If you want me to explain why I beleive what I do, that would be for another thread, if you want to know why I disagree with evolution, that would be for another thread. At least that is how I have approached things. I enjoy bouncing ideas off people, but one thing at a time. Like I said, we took a turn...