(December 5, 2015 at 6:09 pm)AAA Wrote:(December 5, 2015 at 6:06 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Supposedly this designer could effortlessly confirm his existence to me without relying on you to spread the word. I'll just be waiting for his call.
Ok, well I don't think that is a valid excuse for disbelief. Let's speak hypothetically and say that when you die and meet God, He asks you why you didn't believe. You're just going to say because you didn't get a call from Him?
Yes. That's almost exactly what I'd say. Asking me to believe based on a single holy book out of thousands penned by humans (as all of them were), especially given that those holy books all contain stuff directly in opposition to what I already know about the real world, and then punishing me if I don't grasp that this one is the One True Holy Book™, means God is a being undeserving of my worship.
If you want an easy example of how I know the ancient Hebrews weren't told about science by God, try reading Genesis Chapter 30, the story of Jacob with Laban's Flocks, and how Jacob was "so wise" that he became wealthy and founded the Hebrew nation.
(I'm assuming you've already studied Lamarckism, the failed idea about plasticity of heritable traits, which Mendel disproved, in your genetics course.)
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
