RE: So your an Athiest
December 5, 2015 at 7:22 pm
(This post was last modified: December 5, 2015 at 7:24 pm by AAA.)
(December 5, 2015 at 6:51 pm)Quantum Wrote:correct base simply meaning the one of the four that yields functionality. The calculation is simply to see if it is reasonable to believe that point mutations could add a new functional sequence. It is essentially that you have around 100 amino acids in a typical protein. Each amino acid comes from 3 bases. Each base has a 1 in 4 chance of being the one that yields the appropriate amino acid to try to make a functional protein. These have to all happen in a sequence with no (or very few) misses. 300^1/4 is an oversimplification of the calculation I have tried to do. There are other variables but this is a start.(December 5, 2015 at 2:19 pm)AAA Wrote: Uh, I never mentioned genetic drift directly, or gave a numerical value for it.You brought up mutation rates when I asked where you got the information that evolution is insufficient, not me.
Quote:Also, I never said that the rate is too low to explain genetic diversity. Point mutations simply cannot lead to new functional sequences because they are just the alteration of existing bases.I'd like to to hear a biologist respond to this, but what is your point here? That it cannot lead to new additional genes because it would replace an old one? But there are not just point mutations, so what is your point?
Quote: Also you would have to have many sequential mutations in a row becoming the correct base at one time, and in the correct order with no missing spaces in order to gain a new functional sequence that would be selected for.What do you mean by becoming the *correct* base? Correct for what?
Quote:I have tried to do this calculation and I couldn't find an online calculator that was capable of handling such big odds.
Which calculation exactly?
(December 5, 2015 at 7:20 pm)Kitan Wrote:(December 5, 2015 at 7:19 pm)AAA Wrote: I have seen nothing logical about your argument. I have barely even seen an argument.
With me alone or with atheists in general?
If you choose the secondary, then you are lost.
You alone, but I have not been convinced by the general atheist arguments that I have heard either.