RE: So your an Athiest
December 5, 2015 at 10:29 pm
(This post was last modified: December 5, 2015 at 10:47 pm by God of Mr. Hanky.)
(December 5, 2015 at 9:19 pm)AAA Wrote:AAA, I was there when powerful church leaders began promoting "Intelligent Design" theory in the 1990s. I never got as deep into biology as you are now, but I read enough of the ideas put out by the so-called scientists who wrote such books to be clear on what they are trying to do, and that it isn't science. It's an effort by a megagroup which calls itself "The Discovery Center", and it is bankrolled by evangelical churches - particularly those which fear science the most (it threatens job security for evangelical preachers). Yes, they actually paid these weak scientists who grew up in their churches to write the bullshit which launched their careers, and the authenticity of their scientific credentials are nothing what they appear to be at first glance.(December 5, 2015 at 9:11 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: AAA, TheRocketSurgeon has you pegged perfectly - your strangely warped ideas on evolution are nothing more than psychological projections on chemicals which really don't care less what you think they do, and they will keep doing what they do no matter how much you wish they would do something different. You believe in a disembodied person who you treat as the Big Kahuna of all gods, but he hasn't actually done anything, he isn't doing anything now, and he probably won't do anything in the future. He cares less than the mindless chemicals which are now hard at work shaping the future of life, just as they always did, and changing conditions will select their best work for posterity.
Anybody with a web connection can view and evaluate the hard-won understanding which scientists have aquired these days, but as a student you can actually see how this works firsthand. You don't know how lucky you are right now to have this access to the best of what those who work in the field are able to point out. They know what they are talking about, and you should open your eyes now, while you can! The scientists here are not selling you bullshit, like the high priests of yore who would tell their people outlandish things, while meeting in secret and conspiring with magicians to fool the public with demonstrations that would make the kings who they controlled look strong, LOL! If it were like that, then why would they waste their time talking to you now?
I understand that I'm lucky to have access to the available information. But the science will quickly come to a halt if we discourage discussion on what the evidence means. Discussion on the meaning of evidence is how science progresses. I don't really disagree with the evidence itself. For example I understand most of the mechanisms by which DNA can be manipulated. I disagree on the theoretical grounds that say that changing the DNA improves its information content and that life's genetic code developed without the input of intelligence. You have access to the information too, go check it out and keep an open mind. You tell me to open my eyes, but I'm concerned that I'm not the one with my eyes shut.
Remember the Scientific Method, and how it works? I addressed this with you already, and strangely it's the one significant point I made for you which you have ignored completely. You cannot call it science unless you go through all five steps in sequence! Starting with a question on how things work qualifies as a first step, putting you on track for a scientific conclusion followed by data gathering, analysis, ideas, and testing. If your final conclusions are different than what your initial ideas were going in, then there's a much better chance that you actually did some science! ID doesn't do that, it begins with an idea which religious people wish to believe, and then sets out in an attempt to prove it.
If you aren't aware of just how badly the people behind ID want to believe that life has a designer, and more importantly how badly they want you to believe their idea, then I have something here for your education:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Intelligent_Design
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