(December 6, 2015 at 2:54 pm)AAA Wrote:(December 6, 2015 at 1:13 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: No we don't, that is completely false. How the hell would not plugging a god into things we don't know be a "naturalism of the gaps", the honest response when you don't know something is to say, "I don't know" its not to plug in a magic god that you have given all the attributes to in order to answer the question. These arguments your making are completely played out and fallacious, I mean really buddy, God of the Gaps, Watchmaker, Argument from Ignorance, go an and get some new material.We do have the ability to recognize features of design, because we have a history of seeing the causal relationship between intelligence and information/design. We then see information around us. The logical conclusion based on our historical observations of the cause of information should lead us to conclude that intelligence played a role in its origin. You can use your presuppositions of the irrationality of a designer to deny it, but you are disagreeing with a fundamental logical inference from historical science. I don't understand why you can't grasp that. All you have done is say that I am arguing from illogical arguments. But you answer me this question: Why is it illogical to assume intelligent cause to the origin of biological information when naturalistic explanations fall short? Why do I have to wait for a naturalistic explanation when there is no reason for me to think that one will arise? You are arguing from a fallible argument in the fact that you are assuming you have the correct answer right off the bat. Your idea seems to be: because we know that life arose from naturalistic processes, it is illogical to insert God in the places that we don't know the answer to yet.
Since you are so great recognizing design, then answer me this, what would a non-designed universe look like?
Also a non-designed universe would likely be either an infinitesimally small region of matter that could not lead to the formation of planets. Or it would be expanding so rapidly that gravity would be insufficient force to lead to the formation of planets. There constants of the universe would not be set at the extremely precise values that they would need to be to lead to the formations of planets.
How can we recognize features of design if everything is designed as you claim? You wouldn't be able to tell the difference between design and non-design if everything was designed. As far a non designed universe goes how the hell would you know what it would look like or even what it would "likely" look like? I am not interested in your imagination. My idea is it is illogical to insert a god you cant prove even exists into places we do not know the answer, that is a logical fallacy. I am not saying where life came from, you are, its up to you to make a case for design. If we knew absolutely nothing about where life came from it still doesn't make the answer you made up any more probable!!!