(December 6, 2015 at 9:22 am)Crossless1 Wrote:I'm not defending the cosmological argument as a whole, just the question of why or why not God would require a creator.(December 6, 2015 at 3:11 am)orangebox21 Wrote: Addressed and answered by athrock in post #80.
Yes, but the problem with that answer is that step 2 in the chain of reasoning doesn't take into account that we can only say with confidence that the universe in its present observable state came into being at a certain time, which does not necessarily imply creation from "nothing". A singularity, after all, is not nothing. We simply don't have the tools or conceptual framework to describe what the state of the universe was "prior" to the Big Bang. But that doesn't justify the leap to an intelligent creator outside space/time acting as an eternally existing first cause, a.k.a. "God". Any honest answer to the question "what caused the universe" must end with an admission of ignorance. Theists who invoke the cosmological argument wish to give the impression that they have answered the question, when all they have really done is given a sort of name to their ignorance as if that answers anything.
If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?