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Why make stupid unsustainable arguments?
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments?
(December 11, 2015 at 12:11 pm)Cato Wrote:
(December 11, 2015 at 11:31 am)athrock Wrote: This merely betrays why you are not a Christian; it does not explain why you are, and should rightly be, an atheist.
I am an atheist because there is absolutely no evidence for god; none, zip, zero, nil, nada.

I realize it was not your intention to open a huge can of worms, but when you make positive statements like this, you are obligated to provide a supporting argument or be relegated to the category of background chatter.

In order to foster some intelligent discussion, I started a thread on the Moral Argument. Just one of the arguments that believers use to explain their beliefs. It is my hope that by going through some of these arguments, slowly, carefully and comprehensively, we can arrive at some conclusions about the merits of each.

If you're interested, of course.

Quote:I am not a Christian because it's bullshit, demonstrably so: no Adam and Eve, no original fall, no need for a redeemer, no need for Jesus Christ. It's that simple.

Pretty simplistic...and unchallenged for now because this is not the time or place.

Quote:Calling the cause of the Big Bang 'god' (deist notion of god) because one is uncomfortable suspending judgement until more is known is one thing and not necessarily irrational; imbuing the same with any number of fantasized characteristics because ancient stories said so and accepting this as fact without justification is irrational. People can believe anything they wish; however, this says nothing of the justification or validity of the beliefs. All these supposed arguments for god are nothing more than a charade attempting to give credibility to unjustified belief and are strangely only convincing to those who already believe for other reasons.

Who calls the Big Bang "god"? Not theists or atheists from what I've read. That would be akin to calling the the telephone the inventor instead of the invention. Precision is important here. Believers claim that God caused the Big Bang...it did not cause itself.
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Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Aractus - December 9, 2015 at 8:12 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Burns - December 9, 2015 at 8:34 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Cato - December 9, 2015 at 8:38 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Aractus - December 9, 2015 at 8:50 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Cato - December 9, 2015 at 10:29 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Aractus - December 9, 2015 at 9:37 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 9, 2015 at 2:51 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 9, 2015 at 6:49 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 10, 2015 at 12:38 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Joods - December 9, 2015 at 10:52 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Aractus - December 9, 2015 at 6:21 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Grandizer - December 9, 2015 at 12:03 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Minimalist - December 9, 2015 at 12:08 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 9, 2015 at 2:19 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Minimalist - December 9, 2015 at 2:41 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Dystopia - December 9, 2015 at 3:24 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Dystopia - December 9, 2015 at 4:33 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 9, 2015 at 7:17 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Grandizer - December 9, 2015 at 7:19 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 9, 2015 at 7:08 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 9, 2015 at 8:00 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 9, 2015 at 8:09 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 10, 2015 at 11:26 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Joods - December 9, 2015 at 7:14 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 9, 2015 at 8:06 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Joods - December 9, 2015 at 8:14 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 9, 2015 at 8:35 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 10, 2015 at 11:57 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 9, 2015 at 8:58 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Whateverist - December 10, 2015 at 3:18 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Angrboda - December 9, 2015 at 9:08 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 11, 2015 at 10:58 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 9, 2015 at 9:19 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 9, 2015 at 9:41 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 9, 2015 at 9:47 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 9, 2015 at 10:08 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 9, 2015 at 10:19 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 9, 2015 at 10:48 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 9, 2015 at 10:54 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 9, 2015 at 11:13 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 9, 2015 at 11:56 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 10, 2015 at 10:23 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Grandizer - December 10, 2015 at 10:29 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Cato - December 10, 2015 at 10:50 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 10, 2015 at 11:36 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Cato - December 10, 2015 at 9:30 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 11, 2015 at 10:09 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 11, 2015 at 11:31 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Cato - December 11, 2015 at 12:11 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 11, 2015 at 1:10 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Cato - December 11, 2015 at 1:32 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 11, 2015 at 1:44 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 10, 2015 at 8:51 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Cato - December 10, 2015 at 10:06 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 10, 2015 at 10:38 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Grandizer - December 10, 2015 at 11:40 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 11, 2015 at 9:48 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Grandizer - December 11, 2015 at 10:23 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 11, 2015 at 11:29 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Grandizer - December 11, 2015 at 9:30 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 11, 2015 at 10:15 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Grandizer - December 11, 2015 at 10:25 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 10, 2015 at 11:39 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Grandizer - December 9, 2015 at 7:17 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Aractus - December 9, 2015 at 6:31 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 9, 2015 at 7:21 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 9, 2015 at 7:41 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Joods - December 9, 2015 at 7:43 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Crossless1 - December 9, 2015 at 7:55 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Aractus - December 9, 2015 at 7:37 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 9, 2015 at 7:46 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Cato - December 9, 2015 at 7:11 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 9, 2015 at 7:53 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 9, 2015 at 7:59 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Joods - December 9, 2015 at 7:49 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Aractus - December 9, 2015 at 7:51 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Joods - December 9, 2015 at 8:01 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Aractus - December 10, 2015 at 5:24 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 9, 2015 at 8:10 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 10, 2015 at 11:43 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Joods - December 9, 2015 at 8:17 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 9, 2015 at 8:53 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 9, 2015 at 9:54 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 9, 2015 at 10:04 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Whateverist - December 10, 2015 at 3:24 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Crossless1 - December 9, 2015 at 9:08 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 9, 2015 at 9:34 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 9, 2015 at 9:43 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Minimalist - December 9, 2015 at 9:57 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 9, 2015 at 10:31 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Angrboda - December 9, 2015 at 10:46 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 9, 2015 at 11:03 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 9, 2015 at 10:48 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Reforged - December 9, 2015 at 10:14 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 9, 2015 at 10:54 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Kitan Etos - December 10, 2015 at 12:05 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by GoHalos1993 - December 9, 2015 at 10:42 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by KevinM1 - December 9, 2015 at 11:07 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 9, 2015 at 11:13 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by KevinM1 - December 10, 2015 at 12:04 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 10, 2015 at 9:47 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Angrboda - December 10, 2015 at 11:48 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by KevinM1 - December 11, 2015 at 7:04 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 11, 2015 at 7:28 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by KevinM1 - December 11, 2015 at 8:41 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 13, 2015 at 9:25 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 13, 2015 at 10:03 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 13, 2015 at 1:59 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Whateverist - December 13, 2015 at 2:06 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 13, 2015 at 6:49 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Whateverist - December 13, 2015 at 7:08 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 13, 2015 at 6:52 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Edwardo Piet - December 10, 2015 at 11:47 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by RobbyPants - December 10, 2015 at 4:39 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Aractus - December 12, 2015 at 4:29 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Cato - December 12, 2015 at 6:53 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Angrboda - December 12, 2015 at 3:10 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by RobbyPants - December 12, 2015 at 9:34 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Edwardo Piet - December 11, 2015 at 10:19 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Edwardo Piet - December 11, 2015 at 10:44 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by SteveII - December 11, 2015 at 11:06 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 11, 2015 at 11:42 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Cato - December 11, 2015 at 12:17 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 11, 2015 at 1:28 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Minimalist - December 11, 2015 at 1:49 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 11, 2015 at 1:53 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 11, 2015 at 1:34 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 12, 2015 at 12:29 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 12, 2015 at 4:57 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 12, 2015 at 5:12 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Minimalist - December 11, 2015 at 11:40 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Cato - December 11, 2015 at 3:54 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Cato - December 11, 2015 at 4:24 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by KevinM1 - December 11, 2015 at 10:38 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Grandizer - December 12, 2015 at 1:52 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 12, 2015 at 4:59 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 13, 2015 at 10:29 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 13, 2015 at 11:50 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Cato - December 13, 2015 at 1:35 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Whateverist - December 13, 2015 at 2:12 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 13, 2015 at 7:13 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Whateverist - December 13, 2015 at 7:30 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 12, 2015 at 5:11 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 13, 2015 at 11:54 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Minimalist - December 13, 2015 at 1:40 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by athrock - December 13, 2015 at 8:15 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Mr.wizard - December 13, 2015 at 8:43 pm
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Joods - December 14, 2015 at 12:43 am
RE: Why make stupid unsustainable arguments? - by Minimalist - December 13, 2015 at 3:17 pm

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