(December 13, 2015 at 6:10 am)Vic Wrote: Because on one hand, you get christians acting like it's the single most horrible thing in the world to happen to anyone, that it's the most anyone could suffer (ignoring all the people before and after Jesus who died the same way because reasons) etc., with the RCC charging the entirety of Jewish people with deicide for a long time, but on the other hand, that was all god's plan, it was necessary and we should be grateful for it because it was the only way to go to heaven, it had to happen??
Which is it ffs??
No it is not a good thing. It is just a story, but as far as morals go it is bad. First off the God character set up the entire game without mutual consent from anyone, humans are basically his lab rats. Now while the idea of "forgiveness" in reality can be good without the superstition, the story takes your own autonomy away from you and puts it in the hands of a third party. Nobody has the right to tell me whom I have to forgive or that others have to forgive me. That does not mean revenge is a response, it just means I have the right to part company with someone if they hurt me.
On top of that not even being a real "sacrifice". According to the story, he doesn't stay dead, and not only subjects himself to the cross, does so for his own glorification, because God/Jesus are the same being. Alot like John Hinkley shot Reagan to get the attention of Jody Foster.
A "sacrifice" in reality is when you do something without expectation of attention, or fame or reward. The D-Day soldiers were a real sacrifice. They went in not seeking personal fame. Most served without gaining personal fame and those who died did not come back from the dead.
The way the death story reads reads more like a stalker con artist doing a parlor trick to gain attention. The reason Christians fall for this story is because it is sold as as an underdog story, that allows the believer to ignore the way the literary character is written.
