(December 13, 2015 at 10:22 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:(December 13, 2015 at 1:46 pm)Amine Wrote: Also, there is a massive difference between "WWJD" and "WWMD". I'm not sure Christianity doesn't have a capacity to be reformed that Islam simply lacks. Jesus would never have called for the crusades. That was an actual case of religious people not really following their religion. Muhammad, on the other hand, was a guy who went around committing atrocities. The Muslims who don't spread Islam by the sword are the ones not really following their religion.
And by which evidence did you go, exactly ?
the same shitty sources that Sunnies and Shia use to justify their crimes ?
I mean where can you run from this verse in the Quran :
( Sura 2 Verse 256 ) There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.
I mean, this is the doctrine and constitution of Mohammed; how did he expand religion by the sword if his own constitution included this ?
Please, don't throw the acts of Sunnies and Shia on Mohammed. The Islamic conquests took place after Mohammed's death.
Though, I do agree with you on that Jesus would never call for crusades, He too -Jesus- believed that there shall be no compulsion in the acceptance of the religion.
Where can I run from it? Uh, all the really violent verses? Everyone knows about the "no compulsion" verse. That there are contradictions by itself would not even be surprising. But if you read it closely it is talking about acceptance of the religion, i.e. whether or not someone believes in it, whether or not they are sincere. It's saying you can't actually believe it if you only believe it because you are forced to. You have to actually accept the truth because you genuinely accept it. Then the belief is true belief.
Also, as I'm sure you're aware, later verses abrogate earlier ones. As the Quran was "revealed to" Muhammad over a period of years, as the situation changed so did the message. As events unfolded and Muhammad gained more power it seems that he had no hesitation about forcing other religions to convert, forcing them to do all sorts of things, killing them, whatever.