RE: Do you think that one day religion will become a thing of the past
December 14, 2015 at 9:11 pm
(This post was last modified: December 14, 2015 at 9:19 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(December 14, 2015 at 6:00 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: Please don't be putting words in my mouth, as if I said that agriculture evolved overnight.
Yes, there had to be a period of transition as experimentation played out. Cities could not have existed with inland peoples as they have since agriculture developed prior to this so-called "revolution". Popular trading sites are known to have existed, ok - but I don't think the word "city" properly applies to this. Even if they were big and complex enough by whatever standards apply for said title, my point was that cities aren't everywhere on the map prior to agriculture, and without this development the hunter-gatherer culture may have persisted with widely scattered trading towns to this day.
I only added that because our understanding of early ag (and thus it's relation to early cities) has changed drastically since 30 years ago, and I'm a bit of a geek about the subject. The transition period now seems to have been longer than we thought, ag wasn't as successful as we thought - even after it's introduction. Those tracing sites were still h/g societies at a more well developed point than we thought.
In the end we may simply have a difference between us in how we approach the term, or those sites.
In any case, I've only been presenting the h/g counterexamples to show that ag was not a necessary foundation for city building (as gods are not a necessary foundation, imo), not to dispute that it was wildly successful and that the largest cities and indeed all of the world developed from an ag model. We haven't been giving h/g societies the credit due, is all. Bit of a re-apropriation coming from us, as part of agricultural society. It;s not as if they couldn't build sites to rival or exceed those early ag sites...they did. For a time, a long time, they had the upper hand. We largely built our first cities around theirs. They built more of it than we previously imagined. Early raiders would have come from neighboring -agricultural settlements-, they needed the food.
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