So is crucifiction a bad or a good thing?

[Drich]

NO sorry, that is fake pain, like a stage illusionist. If the plot of the story were truly selfless Jesus wouldn't care about a new religion being started in his name.

The 'religion' was not originally started in his name. The name "Christian" was given by unbelieveing greeks as a derogatory name, something used to make fun of "the believers, brothers, the followers of the way..."

The story isn't about selflessness. The story is about glorifying God. Just like Muslims use Mohammed to glorify Allah.

How exactly are the two stories the same? Maybe start with how the God of Islam and the God of Christianity receive glory.

Doing the right thing in reality is doing it without expectation of attention.

So when researchers seek and find treatment for cancer, they should do it anomously and for free? Should the US not entered WWII unless it could be done in such away as no one would ever know? Should homeless shelters and pantries only feed people if no one knows they are doing it? Can you see how foolish your assertion is yet, and why?
Because if no one ever knew what was done then how is the movement to be supported?
In each case (including Christianity) we are speaking of an out reach to the people to our community. As such communal awareness is needed.
That means we have to talk about what has been done.

No it is not good for anyone.

Why?

Nobody has the right to demand I forgive someone. I also don't have the right to demand anyone forgive me.

If you owe what you can not pay and it has been forgiven, then in turn it CAN be asked that you forgive what others owe you. Otherwise what you owe will not be forgiven.

In human reality, in the civil west, regardless of your old comic book, humans have the right to associate or part company with those whom they don't agree with. Humans have the right to accept the apology of those who hurt them or not accept that apology. 

Forgiveness us not an apology.
Forgiveness is the release of a debt. It is not taking vengence or what is owed when the oppertunity allows for it.

Your Jesus character did not exist at all.

Their is more period evidence of Christ than any other person of that time period. to question the existance of Christ is to call into question every other historical figure of that time period.

But as an idea it is vile. It takes away your own decision making, and not only does that, but does so to seek attention for him.

What makes you think the decisions you make are truly your to begin with?
are you so foolish to think you truly have complete autonmy?

The story idea sucks, as a motif.

Of course you find him to be your hero, but it sucks for those whose only mistake is picking the wrong club.

What do you mean by club?

I hate to tell you this, but the idea of a super hero being the cure all for all human beings is not an idea unique to Christianity. You simply have a different fairy tale.

Examples?

I don't doubt your intent and I don't doubt you truly believe what you claim. But the Jesus story was not written with our modern knowledge of scientific reality, nor does it match our western idea of modern pluralism.

so?