(January 2, 2016 at 10:29 pm)Deidre32 Wrote:(January 2, 2016 at 9:14 pm)Brakeman Wrote: If you are sure the spiritural event was solid evidence givent to you by god, but private, why wouldn't he give me, or Min, or Rob the same or similar evidence events? Why are you better than me? Why does god love you better than Rob? Do you know?
You never know, maybe God has ....but it requires you to believe that what maybe you felt/experienced, was Him.
No he hasn't. Nothing at all. I was a pastor's kid who fervently believed god was talking to me and guiding me, only I slowly discovered that I was just talking to myself and that all the "movement" and relief that I'd felt was just my emotions that I was controlling through my own wishful thinking.
Secondly the story about the contemporaries not believing jesus was supernatural is a very weak excuse.
Firstly, we have no contemporary sources at all of the opinions of the people that knew him, only the claim itself in the bible. Secondly, If I witness David Copperfield doing tricks, I might be skeptical if all I saw was a water to wine switcheroo, but Jesus' instant calming of a storm. walking on water, and ascending into heaven were beyond the possible feats of a slight of hand magician and those tricks wouldn't be commonplace in Jerusalem of that time so it does not make any sense that his believers that actually witnessed those events as described would just turn away and not believe anymore. We atheists do not really have unmeetable standards of evidence, we just expect non-silly evidence. You are a self proclaimed example. You were an atheist but something occurred that convinced you. You were not un-convincable, nor are we. You don't know what we would or would not accept in order to make the call to
Quote:..shake the dust from their feet if those villages didn't accept the Gospel. Not to spend time struggling to get people to believe, but to plant a seed and go onfurthermore that bible line is referring to a point after the full witness not before, and you aren't to judge us.. right?
I'm assuming that you believe the incredible event you experienced was an action by god. So it seems that you would just tell us what god did only and strip any and all personal references and events out. I'm guessing something like god told me and my friend to high five and the magic fairy dust shot from our fingertips and healed an amputee. No, jk, I won't prod you, but the bible says it is the complete message of god's word and if he told you something then I think it should be the same as when god told Mary or Sarah stuff in the bible and your story should be written up and published. It would then be up to the churches whether or not to canonize it and include it into the bible. I can't see why god would perform a trick that he knew would only convince you, but no one else would be worthy of a similar event, plus he's not pushing you with his holy spirit to spread it. I would have to say that it is obvious that you haven't been swallowed by a fish or anything for not sharing it so god isn't actively trying to force you to share it. Why is he not concerned with those of us you converse with to command you to talk? Does he know that his "events" are so dubious that they wouldn't cause us modern day scientific types to bat an eye? Why would he choose such weak modern events when he spoke of moving mountains in the bible? Doesn't make any sense to me.
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