How honest should parents be?

[Thumpalumpacus]

You start off with a false analogy, then you imply that you claim that you and others here have successfully raised children despite not pointing out what you mean by that. They didn't die under your care? Well, congratulations, but that's not all there is to being a successful parent.

Firstly, explain how my analogy is false. Be explicit.

Secondly, as for defining success in parenting, your straw-man definition, which is nothing that I wrote yet you dishonestly impute to me, is obviously horseshit -- more evidence of your sloppy thinking and appeals to rhetoric rather than substance.

Success in child-rearing means, to me, raising a child that is both able to survive in the world on its own terms while at the same time possessing independance of mind to question its premises. It's a little more complex than your overly simplistic caricature, so I hope that you'll actually be able to understand what I'm saying, but fear not -- if it's giving you problems, ask me to repeat it again, and I'll type slower.

However, I expect your dishonest argumentation to stop, and if it doesn't you will lose audience by the count of one.

Useless statement. I don't think anyone said otherwise and it doesn't concern anything.

Kitan did. I'd suggest you sign up for remedial reading for your sophomore year.

What gave you the impression I acted like a know-it-all? Give me actual quotes.

I'd do that, but it is in your general demeanor, and shot through all of your posting. So you can browse your own posting history and attempt to look at it through the eyes of others. If you expect me to do your legwork or thinking for you, though, you're to be disappointed -- your education (thankfully!) is not my responsibility.

I was merely making a suggestion and someone went crazy on me. While it's true I have no experience actually raising any children I perceived a mistake on her part based on what my own mother did with me. 

No. You were talking out of your ass on a topic you have zero experience in, and you got your ass handed to you. You sitting in judgement of your mother's behavior, when you have zero conception of her responsibilities, is another example of your inability to think outside of your own assumptions. We all judge our parents as children. It's only when you experience the responsibility of child-rearing -- when another human being depends entirely upon you for their existence -- that you understand the gravity of the factors that go into the decision-making process.

Which experience are you refering to? If anything, you've only tried to silence me and didn't actually address anything I actually said. If you want me to learn the lesson that I should submit to bullying, I didn't and never will.

If you're too stupid to understand my point here, I will not bother repeating it. The conversation will flow around you and you will be left behind ... where you seem to belong.

You would do well to give future adults more credit than that. You can't really be that much of an influence on a kid, no matter how hard you may try. A person is far more shaped by his culture than his parents could possibly ever affect him. There's a reason teenagers are rebels by nature.

lol, here's your shovel, keep digging.

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It's more like first world privileged. It gives you the ability to whine about your non-problems while using an Iphone made of conflict minerals.

Yes because if you have anything of value your pain or suffering is no longer valid.

I don't think he's saying that, myself. The way I understand it, he's saying that suffering is relative. Here in America, we feel poor if we drive a 20-year-old vehicle (I do), or shop at thrift stores for clothing or cooking utensils, and so on -- but that the suffering from poverty here in absolute terms doesn't compare to suffering from poverty in, say, Ghana, where the nearest medical care might be sixty miles away and those must be traveled on foot due to the lack of transport.

I had a cell-phone even when I was poor. It didn't raise my income, but it did say something about the money I had available that I could spend it on that rather than tomorrow's dinner.

If I were a poor man in Myanmar, we wouldn't be having this conversation, because I'd be too busy scraping out a living to engage here. That doesn't mean I haven't suffered as a poor man in America, but it does mean that as matters of wealth go, I'm goddamned lucky to be here and not there.