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Morality versus afterlife
RE: Morality versus afterlife
(January 6, 2016 at 3:10 pm)Old Baby Wrote: I will answer as someone who recently believed.  

The answer is no.

My primary reason for following God was self preservation, i.e. fear of Hell.

I'm not going to say that I didn't consider God's rules to be truly moral.  I did.  I just failed time and time again to live up to that standard.  Had I learned that there would ultimately be no consequences for my "dirty thoughts", I would never have put so much pressure on myself to be what I couldn't be.  Instead, I would have probably rationalized God's standard as his way of just showing us how hopelessly corrupt we are and how tolerant and longsuffering He is for letting us be that way.

I think this is true for all a lot of people, but they'll never admit it, naturally, for shame of being thought of as cowards and not true believers even by fellow Christians/Muslims. They believe in it because they're fearful, that is. And this is very hard to get out of in a world where 1)your beliefs are not challenged on a regular basis because of (FUCKING) P.C. 2) You were raised in this system of thought which taught you that to doubt is impermissible. When you take these two facts into consideration it's no wonder such a surprise that a lot of people believe in this crazy bullshit. What we can do, as non-believers, if we care enough about our fellow citizens, is first of all identify as such and then help them understand there's no good reason to think these preposterous ideas are even true. But to attack people for being the victims of a religious upbringing and for living in a vacuum of irrationality their whole lives is particularly unhelpful.
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Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - January 6, 2016 at 1:21 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by abaris - January 6, 2016 at 1:24 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - January 6, 2016 at 1:26 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by abaris - January 6, 2016 at 1:29 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Excited Penguin - January 23, 2016 at 8:11 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - January 6, 2016 at 1:36 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Brian37 - January 6, 2016 at 1:38 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by brewer - January 6, 2016 at 2:17 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - January 6, 2016 at 2:18 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Old Baby - January 6, 2016 at 3:10 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by orangebox21 - January 7, 2016 at 1:32 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Old Baby - January 7, 2016 at 9:28 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by orangebox21 - January 8, 2016 at 12:08 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Old Baby - January 8, 2016 at 12:55 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Excited Penguin - January 23, 2016 at 8:22 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - January 6, 2016 at 3:15 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by orangebox21 - January 6, 2016 at 11:54 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Jenny A - January 7, 2016 at 1:52 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by orangebox21 - January 6, 2016 at 11:54 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - January 7, 2016 at 5:24 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - January 7, 2016 at 1:34 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by TrueChristian - January 8, 2016 at 4:35 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Brian37 - January 8, 2016 at 4:54 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - January 8, 2016 at 5:39 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by RoadRunner79 - January 9, 2016 at 3:29 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Brian37 - January 9, 2016 at 7:28 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - January 9, 2016 at 5:44 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by RoadRunner79 - January 9, 2016 at 1:27 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by The Grand Nudger - January 9, 2016 at 2:35 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by RoadRunner79 - January 9, 2016 at 2:57 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Simon Moon - January 9, 2016 at 3:38 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by RoadRunner79 - January 9, 2016 at 4:01 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Grandizer - January 9, 2016 at 4:43 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Simon Moon - January 10, 2016 at 2:40 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by orangebox21 - January 11, 2016 at 2:29 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Old Baby - January 11, 2016 at 2:04 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by The Grand Nudger - January 9, 2016 at 3:13 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by RoadRunner79 - January 9, 2016 at 3:45 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by The Grand Nudger - January 9, 2016 at 3:40 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by The Grand Nudger - January 9, 2016 at 3:47 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - January 9, 2016 at 3:49 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by The Grand Nudger - January 9, 2016 at 4:38 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by RoadRunner79 - January 9, 2016 at 7:05 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - January 9, 2016 at 6:22 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by RoadRunner79 - January 9, 2016 at 7:09 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - January 10, 2016 at 1:46 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by The Grand Nudger - January 10, 2016 at 9:40 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - January 10, 2016 at 10:32 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Edwardo Piet - January 10, 2016 at 10:36 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by RoadRunner79 - January 12, 2016 at 12:06 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - January 10, 2016 at 10:41 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Wyrd of Gawd - January 10, 2016 at 12:43 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - January 11, 2016 at 4:18 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by orangebox21 - January 11, 2016 at 5:36 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Grandizer - January 11, 2016 at 5:41 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by The Grand Nudger - January 11, 2016 at 10:39 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - January 11, 2016 at 11:01 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by miaharun - January 11, 2016 at 12:53 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by The Grand Nudger - January 11, 2016 at 1:05 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by miaharun - January 11, 2016 at 1:08 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by The Grand Nudger - January 11, 2016 at 5:40 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by The Grand Nudger - January 11, 2016 at 5:53 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by The Grand Nudger - January 12, 2016 at 12:53 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by RoadRunner79 - January 19, 2016 at 11:53 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - January 12, 2016 at 4:04 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by RoadRunner79 - January 20, 2016 at 12:43 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by orangebox21 - January 14, 2016 at 5:44 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Grandizer - January 15, 2016 at 6:12 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by The Grand Nudger - January 14, 2016 at 5:47 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - January 15, 2016 at 6:48 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by orangebox21 - January 16, 2016 at 11:12 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - January 15, 2016 at 11:36 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Divinity - January 15, 2016 at 12:08 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by The Grand Nudger - January 15, 2016 at 12:13 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlif - by robvalue - January 15, 2016 at 12:15 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by ktrap - January 15, 2016 at 11:21 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Grandizer - January 16, 2016 at 4:30 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by ktrap - January 16, 2016 at 11:00 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Grandizer - January 16, 2016 at 3:54 pm
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RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Grandizer - January 16, 2016 at 9:14 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by ktrap - January 16, 2016 at 10:02 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Grandizer - January 17, 2016 at 12:41 am
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RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Grandizer - January 17, 2016 at 3:25 pm
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RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Cecelia - January 16, 2016 at 1:31 pm
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RE: Morality versus afterlife - by ktrap - January 16, 2016 at 3:21 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by The Grand Nudger - January 16, 2016 at 11:53 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by ktrap - January 16, 2016 at 1:51 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by orangebox21 - January 19, 2016 at 11:03 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - January 16, 2016 at 12:34 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by The Grand Nudger - January 16, 2016 at 12:39 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - January 16, 2016 at 12:40 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by The Grand Nudger - January 16, 2016 at 12:42 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by The Grand Nudger - January 16, 2016 at 3:27 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by ktrap - January 16, 2016 at 8:59 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Cecelia - January 16, 2016 at 3:50 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by KevinM1 - January 16, 2016 at 4:27 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by ktrap - January 16, 2016 at 9:08 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by The Grand Nudger - January 17, 2016 at 3:13 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by The Grand Nudger - January 17, 2016 at 4:05 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - January 17, 2016 at 5:27 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by ApeNotKillApe - January 17, 2016 at 5:31 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - January 17, 2016 at 5:32 pm
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RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Reforged - January 20, 2016 at 12:10 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - January 20, 2016 at 2:00 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by orangebox21 - January 20, 2016 at 2:44 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by RoadRunner79 - January 20, 2016 at 10:01 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Drich - January 20, 2016 at 9:58 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Brian37 - January 20, 2016 at 3:28 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Pat Mustard - January 21, 2016 at 3:35 pm
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RE: Morality versus afterlife - by SofaKingHigh - January 22, 2016 at 12:22 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Drich - January 22, 2016 at 1:59 pm
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RE: Morality versus afterlife - by SofaKingHigh - January 25, 2016 at 5:37 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Angrboda - January 26, 2016 at 12:13 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - January 20, 2016 at 9:58 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by RoadRunner79 - January 20, 2016 at 9:50 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Edwardo Piet - January 21, 2016 at 3:44 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - January 20, 2016 at 3:56 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - January 21, 2016 at 4:13 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by RoadRunner79 - January 31, 2016 at 5:21 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Esquilax - January 31, 2016 at 7:15 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by RoadRunner79 - January 31, 2016 at 8:35 pm
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RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - January 23, 2016 at 6:36 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - January 26, 2016 at 2:13 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - February 1, 2016 at 12:06 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by RoadRunner79 - February 1, 2016 at 12:55 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - February 1, 2016 at 1:13 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - February 1, 2016 at 3:38 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - February 1, 2016 at 5:19 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - February 1, 2016 at 9:03 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by The Grand Nudger - February 1, 2016 at 9:15 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - February 1, 2016 at 9:42 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by The Grand Nudger - February 1, 2016 at 9:50 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - February 2, 2016 at 1:53 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - February 2, 2016 at 10:55 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by RoadRunner79 - February 28, 2016 at 7:18 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by orangebox21 - February 3, 2016 at 4:08 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - February 8, 2016 at 4:11 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by RoadRunner79 - February 6, 2016 at 9:21 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - February 7, 2016 at 5:11 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by Edwardo Piet - February 7, 2016 at 6:13 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by The Grand Nudger - February 8, 2016 at 11:00 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - February 8, 2016 at 12:21 pm
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by The Grand Nudger - February 29, 2016 at 11:34 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - March 1, 2016 at 5:02 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by RoadRunner79 - March 8, 2016 at 12:06 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by robvalue - March 8, 2016 at 5:54 am
RE: Morality versus afterlife - by RoadRunner79 - March 13, 2016 at 6:40 pm
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