(January 31, 2016 at 7:15 pm)Esquilax Wrote:
I don't think that there is that much confusion about what "right" and "wrong" mean in this context. And I get a little leery when people start to ask definitions over and over again about fairly basic words where will it end? First I was asked to define morality, then define right and wrong. It seems that according to Rob, right and wrong don't have any meaning in this context, other than that they fit his personal preferences. Do you agree?
Also; I think, that you are confusing what is moral (along with Rob), with what it means to be moral. Do you care to define the term? You had said wellbeing. Is providing greater wellbeing synonymous with morality? Can I behave immorally and provide a greater wellbeing or is that automatically moral? Is it moral (or ought one to) deceive, if it provides greater wellbeing in their opinion? The way that people arrive at their view of what is moral, or not; doesn't have any bearing on what it means to be moral (if it has any meaning; but I believe it does).
You said, "This is where the subjectivity comes in, and it's where proponents of objective morality completely fail, because everyone interprets data through the lens of their own values before they come to moral conclusions." Isn't this true for everything (that everything comes through the lens of interpretation)? If you are interpreting them, doesn't that imply that they exist apart from your perception? I can subjectively interpret your words to mean that you agree with me. It doesn't however correspond with reality that is outside of myself. This is what it means to be objective, not just that it is my interpretation or opinion, but how closely that opinion matches what is outside of myself.
People may disagree on if a particular situation is moral. But in general, I find that they agree quite a bit on what morality is. That there is a way we ought to behave, and a character which is objectively better. That we can judge others (including cultures) based on moral choices. That good and evil, justice and injustice; that these are real things. Even when someone behaves immorally you see them trying to justify it. I have never seen someone trying to make what is clearly immoral be called moral. Not even from a hyper relativist.
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