Still struggling.

[Jenny A]

Most of what i'm talking about doesn't fit into the world view of the materialist, in that we are just biological beings with consciousness who can interact with our environments, and this is all that there is, the alpha and the omega, (beginning and the end). Our brains try to make sense out of a world through our five senses which are very limited, yet we come to conclusions based on what we perceive, knowing we can't see, hear, or feel the whole spectrum. One of my favorite shows is brain games showing how our brains work, and how our perceptions are flawed.

And yet you fail to understand how flawed perception explains NDE's.

Most of the information is hidden, which is why it's not universally understood when it comes to the spirit world.

Hidden and non-existent look much alike.

The spirit world is all around us, it's who we are, and where we will enter back into. It can be understood as vibration because everything is vibration, and along with energy, it can't be destroyed.

And now a little word salad.

What I'm talking about is our higher selves. That is only really revealed after we leave ourselves. The only way you can learn about it is tuning into it on that vibration level which is compatible. The best evidence I've found is from reading hundreds of accounts of NDEs, OBEs, researching the occult and their beliefs, the paranormal etc.

If that's the best evidence, one can only imagine what lesser evidence might be.

The soul can't be measured empirically. That will only be found out after you leave your body. And I know you think everyone of the atheists who talk about seeing the afterlife and changing their belief is a liar, but that's such a foolish conclusion to come to. However I really do know how crazy this all sounds, trust me I do, but it's too important not to talk about for fear that people will think I'm crazy.

Don't worry about sounding crazy, we've already figured out that you are crazy, tinfoil body suit crazy.

Your life is on the line.

@GeneralDog
It's really is. You can waste your life on scare mongering idiots, or you can live it.

I'm trying to talk about who we truly are, which I don't fully understand, not what we perceive ourselves to be based on our body. It's a lot easier to just believe we are nothing, we can create our own morals without karma consequences, and that the end of the body is the end, so we might as well indulge in all the pleasures of life while we can.

Actually, it appears easier to believe the local bullshit. Thinking like a skeptic takes work.

Something interesting is the placebo effect, and why in studies it works to cure disease in some but not others. How can it work at all for that matter, which is still something not fully understood, but science still gives it it's best explanation it can. Science is not the authority since as we all know new studies are done, and new conclusions are drawn as the understanding evolves.

Actually, the placebo effect really only applies to self reporting. It certainly does not cure disease. It does affect how people feel or report they are feeling.

Some even think that the belief in God is a placebo effect, or sometimes a crutch.

Indeed.