(February 25, 2016 at 2:23 pm)Nymphadora Wrote: What proof do you have of this?
Drippy Wrote:The non religious term for said proof is call "death." Maybe you've heard it said non of us will live forever, that we all die.
To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
Actually, death is only proof of no longer living. There has never been any proof that when you're no longer in your own body, that you're with any god. So, I'd still like to actually see proof instead of an opinion or an argument.
Drippy Wrote:This life is about choice, whether to be with God or spend eternity away from Him. That boy wasn't old enough to make that decision. So I believe that soul was re-routed to another host.
Quote:Okay, first of all, according to your god, he has a plan. So, no, there is no choice.
Drippy Wrote:Never said that their is "no choice." I only said their is no 'free will' as the philosphy/doctrine of 'free will' describes. Jesus, Paul the NT all say we are slaves Either to Sin or to God. We have choice in so far as to chose whom or what we serve.
I didn't say YOU said there is no choice. I'm the one who said it because based on your god and every other christian that's talked to me, god has a plan. I didn't say it was your plan, but apparently the majority of christians seem to think god has one. Additionally, free will wasn't mentioned here. You're bringing that into the conversation without really addressing what I said above.
Quote:Second of all, if your god was so great and awesome, he could have spared the boy's life and sent the boy's father to hell for what he did.
Drippy Wrote:To what end? Let's say God did save the boys life, but the beating he took was more than what he could mentally bear.. now this kid/person grows up damaged by this incodent. Not hippy whinny I got spanked as a kid because I was a little bastard all the time, but damaged in such a way as having no hope of living a normal life and can't understand why. It life so precious to you that living as 'damaged goods/being unhappy' is better than death?
Okay, well my mother's third husband beat the shit out of me daily, with a belt, for seven years, while the stupid bitch turned a blind eye and pretended it never happened. By all accounts, I was the family scapegoat and had a fantiastically shitty fucking childhood. Guess what? I don't beat my kids. I don't need to. It's not a necessary form of punishment in my house. So you are automatically assuming that because the little boy suffered physical abuse, that he's not going to live a normal life in the future? Your assumption that as an adult he'd be "damaged goods" is bullshit and furthermore, with a child therapist and the knowledge that his asshole father would get to spend life in prison, no longer hurting him, I'd say the child has a pretty damn good chance of being able to heal and have a normal life. I did. I still am.
So.... That's your argument here? Rather than actually addressing what I stated, this is what you turn to for a response? Have you ever read the book called A Boy Called Dave? That man suffered unimaginable abuse at the hands of his mother. He was forced to drink bleach and forced to live in a crate. He grew up into a man and wrote a few books about his abuse. If I recall correctly, he went on to become a dad himself and is doing very well, considering that he was nearly killed at the hands of his mother.
Drippy Wrote:Why would God make this person suffer if he can simply pull the boy from that situation and plug him back in some place else, with no damage, no residual from the beatings he took?
EXACTLY WHAT I'D LOVE TO KNOW. Not surprisingly, instead of providing a decent answer, you come up with this:
Drippy Wrote:The reason 2 dimensional people do not like this option because they have no control or say over how and when this happens. It is a reminder that 'control' is not theirs to have. For a 2 dimensional person it is better to live life as a vegetable than to trust God to simply follow His nature.
Bold mine.
For starters, what option are you talking about? And second: Any god who stands by and refuses to do nothing, while an innocent child gets beaten to death is NOT a god that will ever get me to trust in him. If allowing people to suffer, is part of his "nature", he's a piece of trash cuntbag and people are idiots for believing in such a god.
Quote:Third - how can you say that your god called the boy home and then turn around and claim that his soul was sent to another host?
drippy Wrote:Again this is what I personally think based on what has been written. There are several instances in the bible where people have been/will be reincarnated. couple that with what the bible says our purpose in life is, then consider that a young Child has/can not full fill this stated purpose. Equals "being plugged back into another life." But again I have nothing directly supporting this, just personal speculation based on what God has done, is prophesied to do, and coupled with His nature and stated purpose of our existence pushes one conclusion.Bold mine
The first honest thing (talking about the bolded section) I think I've ever seen you post. However, you still don't really answer the question. Aside from your opinion, you say this:
Drippy Wrote:That said, God could just as easily give the kid a free pass into eternity.
blue is mine.
To which I reply, that if your god was real, he could have just as easily removed the child from harm and allowed him to live.
Disclaimer: I am only responsible for what I say, not what you choose to understand.