(February 28, 2016 at 1:26 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(February 28, 2016 at 12:33 am)Rekeisha Wrote: I jumped from organization to order because their meanings are very similar. "To systemize or coordinate together" (these are my words)
My reasons behind a need for the exists of God is because of the need for a reason why materials behave as they do. What gives matter its properties? Why is there gravity? Materials just existing and moving in an orderly fashion does not solve the reason why things behave as they do. Materials don't have wills they just have properties.
Now a god does have a will and can give a reason for why materials move in the way they should because a god gave them the properties and created the order in which they function.
God, the one and only "god", the one i have been talking about, is an orderly and purposeful "god", therefore: an Orderly and Purposeful creation...
If reality has a way it consistently works then I would say it has a way it should work. If it doesn't have a way it should work then when things don't work what do you call that?
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I feel as though you are taking order for granted. Why is there order? Why is there gravity? Do you believe there was nothing and then something and if so why? Where did matter come from and why does it behave in the way it does? You say order is a natural outcome of the world, why? Why do things this just fall into order? Where is your empirical data for all of this?
"Now a god does have a will and can give a reason for why materials move in the way they should..."
That a god can explain the reason why things behave as they do, doesn't mean that a god does explain the reason why things behave as they do. You're jumping from possibility to necessity without a reason for doing so. Why must there be a reason for 'why' materials move in the way they do? There is no reason why there must be an answer to the why questions. Sometimes why questions are simply mistakes. (Why did this atom of uranium decay at this particular time? There is no answer to that 'why' question. It just did; nothing caused it to decay at that particular time. The why question here is simply a mistake.)
God just is a necessity... would you accept my answer if I gave that to you? If you don't think the why is important then neither is science. The why helps you understand the world around you. Don't hide from the why. If your view point is the superior one then you shouldn't have to give up on the why. My view point is consistent and coherent. You say I just form a possibility into a necessity but then you fail to say why it isn't a necessity. You have no answer that can combat the fact that God gives an answer to the why.
