(March 6, 2016 at 10:21 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:(March 3, 2016 at 3:39 pm)Rekeisha Wrote: Yes I would like to see this link you speak of.
The one I remember is the list of murders and genocides performed by Gaud's people and/or Gaud himself. No, I'm not going to dig it out again just so you can ignore it again.
Quote:The difference is God is alive. He has a mind and a will and emotions. Then out of His creativity He made all things, including human beings that have minds wills and emotions.
Oh look...more assertions stated as fact...how droll...
Quote:Now I am not trying to put words in your mouth, but I see that there is a spontaneous life coming from you world view and how that is happening isn't explained.
Yet.
Quote:Why we have minds, wills, and emotions which is a product from non-life isn't explained either.
That would be because of our brains, dear (or at least it is for most of us).
Quote:So I find this an interesting statement...very interesting. I would love to hear your further thoughts on why you see this as a failing.
It's a failing because there is no reason to assume there's always an answer to "why." Insisting that there must be a reason behind everything is a false assumption with no evidence to support it.
Quote:God is a cogent answer for why materials behave the way they do.
No, he's not, and if he is, prove it.
Quote:You expect the same from my God that is why you demand evidence.
I expect nothing from Gaud because he doesn't exist. I demand evidence from you because your statements require it before they can be accepted.
Quote: So, why when I ask for it you say my insistence for a cogent answer is a failing?
Your insistence on everything having a "why" is a failing because there's no reason to assume that there's a reason behind everything, and because it forces you to fill in the gaps with mythological beings.
Quote:Your statement that material always existed is untestable.
Two things:
1. No, it probably isn't.
2. That wasn't a statement I made. I said that's maybe what happened, and I also said that maybe something came from nothing instead. Science doesn't know yet, and neither do you.
Quote:Your idea that humans and monkeys came from the same ancestor is untestable.
Except that it isn't...because of genetics. Genetics is what allows us to test for ancestry.
You're really bad at this.
Quote:So are we going to throw those out?
Actually no, it doesn't look like we need to.
Quote:I am going to assume you are saying that there is nothing in the universe that can destroy matter/energy.
Why would you need to assume anything about what I said? I spelled it out in plain English. I said "matter/energy can neither be created nor destroyed," and that is exactly what I meant. It's the Law of Conservation of Matter.
Quote:Yet, God is not apart of the universe but created the universe so it would make sense that nothing in the universe could undone what God has done. (Ecc 3:14)
Oh look...another assertion...
Quote:Excuse me if I didn't say it or didn't see it but What is your definition for reality?
Reality is a place where I don't have to dick around with you about semantics.
Quote:Hey man thanks for this conversation it is starting to get great. (I am not lieing!) Have a great day I going to be gone for a bit, but looking forward to what you have to say.
What the fuck is "lieing"?
Hey thanks for pointing out the lieing thing, I think I have been spelling that wrong for a long time.
I don't see how a list of atrocities are a proof against God. Actually, let me say it this way. I don't see how you can judge God with integrity so therefore I take your statement about God being evil as erroneous. Why I make that statement is because your standard for right and wrong is inconsistent. You say that morals are subjective so there is nothing that is firm and unmoving to base your judgements, today America insists that ____ is wrong but in a couple of months it may not be. At the core your standard for morals are only arbitrary and at the whim of what people deem as correct whether they are consistent with reality or not.
Quote:Two things:
1. No, it probably isn't.
2. That wasn't a statement I made. I said that's maybe what happened, and I also said that maybe something came from nothing instead. Science doesn't know yet, and neither do you.
As for 2. I do know what happened because I know the one who made it happen. God is trustworthy and nothing like us. You are the one who is uncertain because you rely on humans to tell you what is real. Humans are flawed, self-seeking, finite, and do not know everything. Scientist are not perfect humans so their findings can be flawed and misinterpreted to fit their own presuppositions. Don't assume or put your trust in science because it can't save you. It has not proven a great deal of things, yet you will bet your eternal soul on it.
Quote:I expect nothing from Gaud because he doesn't exist. I demand evidence from you because your statements require it before they can be accepted.So you have a double standard because I would say the same for your assertion that matter has always existed. Don't play with your eternal soul because you want to be right. If your world view has to skirt past the "why", you don't have assurance of consistency, or have a firm standard for morals; then your world view is weak, and will cause destruction in your life.
