The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work

[Redbeard The Pink]

Yep, and that is why I am in need of a savior to redeem me. He is changing me day by day and forming me into His image.

You need a savior because of your poor English? What?

There is no contradiction in God's character only people's misunderstanding or defaming it through twisting the text.

There is absolutely contradiction in Gaud's character, and pretty much the only way for you to ignore that is through ignorance of the text and sheer mental gymnastics.

He is consistent and you have only been alive for about 3 decades (give or take) so how could you possible know if His character is consistent with the universe? (Do you "know" everything?)

The body of scientific evidence I'm drawing on is much older than I am. Sure, there may be things we don't know, but the few things we DO know about the Universe are consistent with complete lack of governing influence or divine intervention. Simply put, the Universe shows no evidence of its requiring a god to exist or create it. Nothing about the known Universe warrants or demands such an explanation.

I can show how you twist the scripture because if you do as you suggested and remove the passages that says God is good then you are misrepresenting the bible to fit into your purposes and point-of-view. You can't just focus on one portion of the Bible or the other but both and.

But that's what you're doing. You're accepting all the things about him being good and loving and ignoring all the abuse and atrocity that his own book blames him for. You can't just focus on one portion of the Bible, and yet you focus on all the fluffy crap and simply excuse all the horror as being "part of his perfect plan." I hate to break this to you, but if Gaud's plan couldn't prevent sin or suffering, then it wasn't perfect.

He isn't a "neat" little god. He is the God of the universe and He doesn't have to prove Himself to you.

If he actually wants me to believe in him, then yes, he does.

He is being kind and gracious He "is not being slow in doing what he promised—the way some people understand slowness. But God is being patient with you. He doesn’t want anyone to be lost. He wants everyone to change their ways and stop sinning." (2 Peter 3:9)

Is a robber being kind and gracious because he offered me a chance to just hand the money over quietly before blowing my brains out? No?


Then neither is Gaud.

Also you can't claim what is right and wrong because in your view morality is subjective.

Actually, we've been over this, and my standard is the Golden Rule. While still subjective to the situation, it functions on empathy and has been the most consistent staple of human morality since the beginning. Gaud wouldn't want us to send him to Hell, but he supposedly does it to us anyway, so he doesn't follow the Golden Rule, which makes him an asshole.

You don't have a firm and fixed definition of what good is.

Neither do you.

You have no grounds for judgement because you don't have an unmoving standard on which to Judge God. Today murder is wrong tomorrow who knows you have to check with your society to see what they say.

Golden. Fucking. Rule. Society is usually remarkably consistent on the whole "murder" thing, until religion gets involved. Then it's lynchings and witch-burning everywhere, not to mention a healthy helping of kill-a-whole-race-for-disbelieving-your-gods.

Coming up with something under the same conditions and interpreting what that means for you as a human can be misinterpreted. Whole groups of people have been deceived before. Don't assume that Scientist are above this mass deception. 

Scientific findings aren't scripture: there's usually no "interpreting" to be done. Data generally speaks for itself. Either the experiment turned out with the same numbers, or it didn't.

Gal 6:7-8 Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.

Luckily for me, your vague threats from the Bible are not scary to me...


You're not gonna talk to me about the wrath, are you? About all the horrible tortures for those people in Hell, meted out by your all-loving despot? I do wonder why you're avoiding that. Is it hard to picture Gaud as a loving father when his demons are raping and eviscerating people for eternity? Do you have a hard time picturing his loving face as it watches all those humans burn to satisfy his jealous rage?

I can and have but you refuse to believe.

No. What you've offered me is arguments, Bible verses, and ad hoc bullshit, as well as a heaping dose of ignorance and lack of critical thinking. There has been no evidence shown.

So let put your standard of "know" to the test.

This should be good.

Show me that matter was the only thing here at the beginning is true.

Show me where I asserted that as the truth. I never said matter was the only thing around at the beginning of the Universe. It might have been nothing, it might have been energy, it might have been matter, it might have been some mix of those things, or it might have been none of those things. Scientists don't know yet, and neither do you.

Show me that life came from non-life is true.

Rock layers, bitch. Rock layers like these.


"The most recent three layers are the Paleozoic, Mesozoic, and Cenozoic. These layers represent the last 500 million years of life on earth."


That first layer, the Paleozoic, has mostly invertebrates and basic plant types (nothing even with flowers yet). Beyond that, we see rock layers with basically no fossils in them, suggesting that life did not exist at one point and did exist later on. If it didn't exist before and does now, then clearly life must have followed from non-life at some point. Geology is how we show this.

Show me that you don't have a soul is true.

You see my profile pic? Ginger.


Seriously, though, you're once again misplacing the burden of proof, which is another thing I'm sure we've covered already. You're essentially asking me to prove that something doesn't exist, to which my response would be "prove that invisible, pink Unicorns don't exist.

 If you can't show me then I guess by your own definition you just blindly accept these to be true. 

Oh look...I just showed you.

I don't think religion or the lack of religion has anything to do with the way you behave. You choose how you treat people.

Right...and my basis for those choices used to be a book of myths, and I behaved differently in those days than I do now, and my current mode of behavior is more conducive to healthy, lasting relationships than my old one. I wonder why that is...

I have been a jerk and God has removed and is removing those thing not by religion but by reflecting on His glory. 

Thanks again for the conversation!

Ummm...you're welcome, I guess?