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(March 14, 2011 at 11:20 am)Captain Scarlet Wrote:
(March 14, 2011 at 9:55 am)tackattack Wrote: 3-Perhaps I should better define a soul. My intent was not to be vague. I hope this is "stronger"
soul- supranatural aspect of humans that is imparted by God and can be used by the consciousness to inform the mind; contains an object based memory relative to the individual owner; stores an active concept of the mind (both conscious and subconscious); is a storage medium in taking data for reference; survives death and is used in the final judgment by God.
1-I'm not claiming that the evidence is up to scientific empirical standards, I am claiming that it's indicative and warrants more research. You talk about statistically significant quantities but the number of people that survive an actual death experience can't really be a large pool to pull from. Of them, I cited specific cases but the link is from my work computer. You can go back to the other thread or google it yourself again. I agree with my concept that their soul contains "them"
2-I'll save this for after we discuss our definition.. it's getting to be a confusing discussion.
1. I don't doubt individual cases are interesting and heartwarming, there is ongoing research into NDE. All I would say is whatever has been presented to date isn't very impressive, when compared to neurological studies. In other words there probably is no such thing as a soul.
2. OK
3. OK then so lets go with a working definition and test it. So which is true:
- Did my material or immaterial self commit that murder?
- Did my material or immaterial self become changed WRT personality as a result of that accident?
- If I had an accident and became a psychopath would a god hold me to account for the subsequent evil?
1-Perhaps you could give me some standards?
3-a.material, I'm not sure which "that" you're reffering to but I assume it's a murder without an act of will behind it
b.material changed after accident, the immaterial self changed as well. Imagine it like this the immaterial self would be like walking around with a film crew that could tap into your thoughts. It would be third person perspective, record intent and action seperately. The camera crew caught you killing said dude, they would also record your personal motivations for that (which there were none because it was out of "character").The camera crew would know if you willfully intended to kill, acted on impule alone, were remorseful, had no connection to your emotional state, had no control over your actions, etc.
c. no, not in my opinion. A judeo Christian God, IMO judges off the intent while you're quantifying that action of the physical "evil" by social standards a soul would record the intent and reasoning by which we are judged.
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