(March 28, 2016 at 11:44 am)Nymphadora Wrote:(March 27, 2016 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: God will prove himself to those who truly seek Him and want a real relationship with Him.
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Too bad all those starving people living in third world countries or those tribal communities tucked way back, deep in a forest, who struggle to find food daily, don't know about YOUR god and prayer.
That's why we go to those places as Jesus ask us to, there are benefits outside salvation we introduce others to.
Nymphadora Wrote:They all could have "prayers" for food answered in a snap. Cause that's how your god works, right?
No not really, we teach them how to farm ground and raise animals for food, this way they can provide food for themselves and their families and future generations. Christianity is a simple practice of teaching, you can find this throughout the NT.
Nymphadora Wrote:No, sorry. If he existed at all, things like hunger and disease would be obsolete. He would take care of ALL persons on earth, regardless of their religious beliefs (or non-beliefs) because being the "loving" god you and others claim he is, he wouldn't want anyone to suffer.
He doesn't want anyone to suffer, however there is this sin thing that has brought suffering into the world and man continues with sin at a greater and greater rate. So there will always be suffering until sin is eliminated. Jesus himself told His disciples that we would always have the poor with us. If you hate so much to see the poor suffer then I'm supposing you are working to help them, if not shouldn't you, it is a man made problem after all.
Nymphadora Wrote:In addition to that, prayer shouldn't even be required or necessary since god supposedly has a "plan" for each of us. So praying for the outcomes that WE want is really pointless since it's clearly not what HE wants, nor would it be part of his plan.
I see by this statement you made you're deficient in bible knowledge to an extreme amount. God's absolute will can't be changed, God's plan for any life is not set in stone, a person has free will and God will adjust the plan to help us in our ignorance of what's best. Prayer is not about what we want, prayer is about staying in the plan God has for us, this type of prayer is only for the Christian. God's not going to help those who deny He exists, He may have a plan for those who deny Him to help those who want to come to Him in salvation or strengthen those who already know God. If you think by denying God he will not use you, you're dead wrong. Prayer is part of having a relationship with Him, not for get what you want, it's not a credit card you can throw around. Be fore arguing pray you should learn what prayer really is.
Nymphadora Wrote:God + prayer = a completely stupid waste of time and there is zero proof that it works. Testimonials are subjective and can't be verified for their truthfulness or accuracy. Witnessing isn't proof of prayer working either since, again, it is subjective.
It's verified in those individuals who have a living relationship with God and in actual truth that's really all that matters. You're trying to apply science to a spiritual life and it just doesn't work that way.
Nymphadora Wrote:Admit it. There is no god. There is no plan. And prayer doesn't do shit. Anyone can make excuses for it all they want but answered prayers aren't real. The end result is always the result of someone actually doing something that accomplishes said desired result. You know, like doing the work required to solve a problem. No god ever steps in and uses their so-called omniscient powers to help out.
I'll do no such thing Satan. God is real I know Him personally, He has revealed himself to me in ways that give me the knowledge of His existence, you should seek Him and find out what I know. You'll never know unless you seek Him out, you see I'm no fool, I'm a very practical person, pretty smart too, at least that's what those who know me say, I do not delude myself the practicality part of me prevents that, so there should be something to this, right?
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.