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My doctor asked me to pray.
RE: My doctor asked me to pray.
(March 28, 2016 at 6:51 am)Brian37 Wrote:
Godschild[hide Wrote:pid='1233696' dateline='1459132676']
I didn't ask you to prove my prayer doesn't work, I ask you to prove my belief in answered prayer was an appeal to emotion and that my perception is flawed.
I have many relatives including my Dad that I miss very much, however I have the peace of knowing it's not a permanent situation, I will see them again. I am not in agony over their deaths either. My mother probably has only a couple years left, she doesn't fear her death, nor do I. I hate to see it come because I want to keep her here but, as we all know that's not possible everyone dies and when she does we will celebrate her life and look forward to seeing her again and we will.
As for those six arguments above, I'm asked to prove similar type arguments all the time. Yes if I'm required to bring proof then the same applies to everyone else. I hear it all the time bring me proof, bring me proof, bring me proof so I'm asking what is asked of me, seems reasonable, right?

GC[/hide]

Nope sorry, again, you are trying to make word salad to dodge proving your claim. 

Other people have different god claims and pray to those god/s too and they also think their prayers are answered too. They also have "experiences" they think are real, as real as you think yours was. What you and they don't consider is that is is nothing more than your wishful  thinking and gap filling. 

If you accept that praying to Allah or Vishnu or a statue of Buddha has no real effect on reality, then why do you expect me to swallow your version of "it works" either? I could care less which flavor of superstition you personally swallow, I don't treat your claims any differently than you treat the claims of others, I simply reject one more superstition than you do. "Prayer" is simply a result of wishful thinking based on selection bias and sample rate error. 

Nobody was praying to Jesus or Allah or Vishnu or Buddha or Yahweh or Apollo 200,000 years ago. Our planet is 4 billion years old and our universe is 14 billion years old. It takes 1 ray of light 100,000 years at the speed of light to cross our galaxy alone. We've only just now gotten 1 object out of our solar system and that took 40 years. Our universe has 100s of BILLIONS of galaxies in it, yet you, like most humans of ALL religions stupidly think that talking to yourself which is what you are really doing, has some sort of magical effect on your life.

There is no such thing as a cosmic sky hero by any name. Wanting one to be real does not make one real. We are not important to this planet, the planet is important to us. The planet does not depend on us, we depend on the planet. But we are NOT important to the planet or universe in long term cosmic time.

I am sorry that bothers you to think about being finite, it should not bother you. What should bother you is your bad logic based on old books that have no real modern knowledge of scientific reality. Prayer at best is a placebo, but you are NOT talking to invisible sky wizards anymore than the Ancient Egyptians were really praying to Ra or Horus or Isis. 

Nothing bad will happen to you if you figure out what we have. There is no sky bully to threaten you with hell. Nobody will smite you. You will simply grow up. 

So, every time you say "prayer works", fine, take your pet god claim out, replace it with with another god claim and ask yourself if it makes sense to fill in the gap with that one. If not, then take that logic you use to rightfully reject that logic, and be intellectually brave and aim that same logic at your own claims.  If you are unwilling to do that, you are not being objective or neutral. But you most certainly ARE NOT the only person, or only religion that thinks prayer works.

 Sorry you feel that way, it doesn't change the facts I have through my personal relationship with God, nor does your disbelief negate God, it does put you in dire straits, if that's where you want to stay it's your choice.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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My doctor asked me to pray. - by Jehanne - March 21, 2016 at 11:33 pm
RE: My doctor asked me to pray. - by Jackalope - March 21, 2016 at 11:38 pm
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RE: My doctor asked me to pray. - by Jehanne - March 22, 2016 at 7:47 am
RE: My doctor asked me to pray. - by Minimalist - March 21, 2016 at 11:41 pm
RE: My doctor asked me to pray. - by robvalue - March 22, 2016 at 1:22 am
RE: My doctor asked me to pray. - by Alex K - March 22, 2016 at 1:29 am
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RE: My doctor asked me to pray. - by Jehanne - March 22, 2016 at 9:18 am
RE: My doctor asked me to pray. - by Joods - March 22, 2016 at 10:33 am
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RE: My doctor asked me to pray. - by Jehanne - March 22, 2016 at 10:54 pm
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RE: My doctor asked me to pray. - by Jehanne - March 24, 2016 at 4:22 am
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RE: My doctor asked me to pray. - by Godschild - March 25, 2016 at 11:33 pm
RE: My doctor asked me to pray. - by Brian37 - March 26, 2016 at 10:50 am
RE: My doctor asked me to pray. - by Godschild - March 26, 2016 at 9:43 pm
RE: My doctor asked me to pray. - by Brian37 - March 27, 2016 at 5:16 am
RE: My doctor asked me to pray. - by Godschild - March 27, 2016 at 10:37 pm
RE: My doctor asked me to pray. - by Brian37 - March 28, 2016 at 6:51 am
RE: My doctor asked me to pray. - by Godschild - March 28, 2016 at 2:33 pm
RE: My doctor asked me to pray. - by robvalue - March 25, 2016 at 2:16 am
RE: My doctor asked me to pray. - by Godschild - March 25, 2016 at 11:35 pm
RE: My doctor asked me to pray. - by Brian37 - March 25, 2016 at 8:38 am
RE: My doctor asked me to pray. - by Godschild - March 25, 2016 at 11:42 pm
RE: My doctor asked me to pray. - by Jehanne - March 26, 2016 at 9:38 am
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RE: My doctor asked me to pray. - by Godschild - March 26, 2016 at 9:46 pm
RE: My doctor asked me to pray. - by FebruaryOfReason - March 26, 2016 at 12:00 pm
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RE: My doctor asked me to pray. - by Brian37 - March 26, 2016 at 12:49 pm
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RE: My doctor asked me to pray. - by Godschild - March 28, 2016 at 2:56 pm
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RE: My doctor asked me to pray. - by FebruaryOfReason - March 28, 2016 at 11:59 am
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RE: My doctor asked me to pray. - by Brian37 - March 28, 2016 at 3:08 pm
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