I was on the atheist experience :)

[Won2blv]

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Can you explain that? I don't believe I said that at all. Your reasoning that you used on the AE is a straw man to everyone like myself that has never ascribed to Pascal wager. And I definitely don't believe that you've proven that it was a requirement for all disciples of Jesus. You said, "well it couldn't hurt" that could be true, but it doesn't prove your point as absolute

I am operating within a framework where Christianity is assumed to be true.

Jesus' disciples were often confused on what Jesus meant.  It's anyone's guess what he meant really, so we find ourselves here:

Give all you have to the poor and your chances of entering heaven MIGHT INCREASE but CANNOT DECREASE.

It is IRRATIONAL to fully believe in heaven and hell and NOT do this.


So I go back to this being a straw man. You're telling me that if I'm a christian, then all of your logic follows no matter what.

1. Even when I was a strong christian I never believed that when you died that your soul kept on and went to heaven or hell. I ALWAYS have believed that when we die we're conscious of nothing. In harmony with Ecclesiastes 9:5,6

2. You keep acting like a humans salvation by God and christ is like a bet. Where you have to raise your chances. I don't even know where you could find a single scripture that treats salvation in this manner.

3. Your arguments are pretty lame tbh. If god existed and had a checklist of what people need to do to obtain salvation then you could game the situation. This might make sense again if this is a bet that you seem to think it is. Even Jesus condemned the pharisees for giving a tenth of all their belongings but not practicing justice mercy and faithfulness. Which he called the weightier matters of the law, but things that you couldn't really quantify. Also, in Matthew 7:21-23 Jesus even mentions some that would claim they were doing great things in Jesus name, but Jesus would reject them and claim he doesn't even know them. Cleary, from Jesus words show that more is involved than just an action.

4. I am not denying that doing good things is something that could not hurt but your reasoning, as I understand it, is that a Christian should have an almost militant view towards material possessions. As your example states, if I have a tv then I have a way to help others. I agree with this. But what I'd like clarification on is if you're trying to say that, unless I sell my tv, and really all of my belongings, then I'm not truly doing all I can? You need to clarify what point your even making.

Your reasoning seems to be either using the Tu Quoque fallacy or the fallacy of composition. That latter is also known as "hasty generalization."

I am certainly not claiming victory, but in your case, I think you dropped the mic a little too early...