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Islam in Europe: perception and reality
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality
(April 4, 2016 at 3:01 pm)Drich Wrote:
(April 4, 2016 at 12:22 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: Indeed, perhaps google something and you'll occasionally be right -- such as the role of Imams in Sunni Islam as contrasted with the role they play among the Shia. But by all means, keep "speaking for ALL Sunni Muslims" worldwide. I could use the laugh today.

you do know they do not share the same Imams right?

That means 1.4 billion people have their Imams who 'interpret' and allow for Jihad, and the Shia have a different set.
that leaves 8 to 10% belonging to the Shia and twelver, and the rest aren't even worth mentioning.

Again If 1.4 billion all think the same way and that way allows them to wage jihad at the prompting of religious leaders then who cares if the shia take a more passive role or one of the sub sets of shia takes even a more Christ like road. The fact of the matter is 9 out of 10 Muslims think it is ok to wage jihad against you and me and everyone else in the west!

So then WHY invite them in?

Yes, of course I know they don't share the same Imams. At first I couldn't figure out why you'd think I didn't, but I see that the way I worded my first sentence could lend itself to that reading. I should have written, ". . . such as the role of Imams in Sunni Islam as contrasted with the role Imams play among the Shia." I trust that would have been clearer.

My point of contention here is not that Sunni Muslims are saints or that a majority of them aren't in favor of Jihad (given the actual meaning of the word, as opposed to how it's thrown around in the media, it would be rather surprising if they didn't favor Jihad). It's that Sunnis and their Imams are not a monolithic group with a hive mentality. There is room within Sunni Islam for disagreement among clerics based on the schools of interpretation within Sunni circles, and therefore a certain degree of freedom among the Sunni faithful whether to endorse this or that position taken by this or that Imam and not all Sunni clerics support the efforts of ISIS, as evidenced by the Sunni clerics ISIS has executed for not supporting their brand of Jihad. Contrast that with Shia Imams whose authority is more strictly normative within their circles.
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Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - March 28, 2016 at 2:37 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 28, 2016 at 4:25 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - March 29, 2016 at 2:26 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 29, 2016 at 8:05 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - March 28, 2016 at 4:02 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 1, 2016 at 3:37 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 1, 2016 at 3:43 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 1, 2016 at 9:36 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 3, 2016 at 11:13 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by robvalue - March 28, 2016 at 3:07 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 3, 2016 at 5:02 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - March 29, 2016 at 3:17 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Regina - March 29, 2016 at 9:04 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 29, 2016 at 1:21 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 29, 2016 at 7:16 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Regina - March 29, 2016 at 7:10 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 29, 2016 at 7:23 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Regina - March 29, 2016 at 7:33 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 29, 2016 at 7:38 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Regina - March 29, 2016 at 7:48 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 29, 2016 at 8:28 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - March 30, 2016 at 1:37 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 31, 2016 at 7:29 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 1, 2016 at 9:54 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 30, 2016 at 11:32 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 30, 2016 at 12:13 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 30, 2016 at 5:26 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - March 31, 2016 at 1:54 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 1, 2016 at 10:34 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 30, 2016 at 10:14 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 31, 2016 at 10:52 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 1, 2016 at 10:32 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 2, 2016 at 1:17 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 2, 2016 at 2:18 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 2, 2016 at 3:54 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 3, 2016 at 4:41 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 3, 2016 at 11:51 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 4, 2016 at 9:45 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 4, 2016 at 3:53 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 4, 2016 at 9:47 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 4, 2016 at 2:47 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 4, 2016 at 2:50 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 4, 2016 at 3:07 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 4, 2016 at 10:10 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 4, 2016 at 3:01 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Crossless1 - April 4, 2016 at 4:08 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 4, 2016 at 5:37 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by robvalue - April 3, 2016 at 12:47 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 3, 2016 at 3:18 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 3, 2016 at 3:47 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 3, 2016 at 3:57 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 3, 2016 at 4:07 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 3, 2016 at 4:31 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 3, 2016 at 4:45 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 3, 2016 at 8:11 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by robvalue - April 4, 2016 at 11:34 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 4, 2016 at 2:52 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 4, 2016 at 5:32 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 4, 2016 at 5:38 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 4, 2016 at 5:42 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 5, 2016 at 9:42 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 4, 2016 at 5:43 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 4, 2016 at 5:54 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 5, 2016 at 9:53 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 5, 2016 at 9:48 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 5, 2016 at 9:54 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 4, 2016 at 5:39 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Dayron - April 5, 2016 at 12:35 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 5, 2016 at 3:44 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 5, 2016 at 3:57 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Dayron - April 5, 2016 at 1:18 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 5, 2016 at 7:08 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Dayron - April 6, 2016 at 12:10 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 5, 2016 at 10:11 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 5, 2016 at 11:08 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 7, 2016 at 4:37 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 7, 2016 at 4:45 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 7, 2016 at 7:35 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 7, 2016 at 4:19 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 7, 2016 at 11:22 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 8, 2016 at 5:25 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Mudhammam - April 10, 2016 at 12:12 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 10, 2016 at 12:51 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 10, 2016 at 2:16 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 10, 2016 at 2:25 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 10, 2016 at 2:50 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 10, 2016 at 5:00 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 8, 2016 at 2:30 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 8, 2016 at 5:28 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 8, 2016 at 7:14 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 8, 2016 at 7:55 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 9, 2016 at 5:15 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 10, 2016 at 5:36 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 13, 2016 at 9:35 am

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