RE: Can a xtian god be free?
March 19, 2011 at 7:28 am
(This post was last modified: March 19, 2011 at 7:33 am by Captain Scarlet.)
(March 18, 2011 at 1:45 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(March 16, 2011 at 12:02 am)Captain Scarlet Wrote: You are begging the question in favour of a god in your rebuttal. I have identified 3 traits of a god (as far as I'm aware consistent with the xtian conception). It may be a logical necessity for god do only do good things, but this means he is either imprisoned behind his own nature or chooses not to. Thus god is NOT free, as VOID has stated.I'm not begging the question but pointing out that the root definition contradicts your premise.
Omnibenevolent is an inaccurate description of the Christian God. It needs further refining to be accurate. Yes God is 'imprisoned' by logic... but it is fallacial to try to reconstruct that as 'limited in freedom'.
No. An xtian god can do anything logically possible, acting evil is logically possible. Especially if a god sets/emits the rules around what is evil/good. The assertion that he can only do good things means that he cannot break his own nature nor codes NOT that it is logically impossible for him to do so, thus he is not totally free. Would you argue because an xtian god is immortal he cannot make himself into a mortal? He is immortal by nature, thus eveything about him is such and he can't help that and must be that and only that? But to me it still seems to be a logically possible action for an omnipotent diety and you would have to accept this example is at the heart of the xtian worldview. Thus his nature cannot determine what is logically impossible. He just can/can't do it, will/won't do it. Your rebuttal fails.
"I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence"...Doug McLeod.
