Islam in Europe: perception and reality

[Mudhammam]

No, intent is only good to pat oneself on the shoulder. Try to walk in the shoes of those being bombed. Try to imagine losing loved ones because another nation - with greatest regrets - bombed your home. Try to imagine all of that and then come back telling me, how you would feel and if intent would matter in your consideration.

This philosophical chair farting by people who never have been exposed to violence or a war zone really is leading nowhere. War isn't a philosophical matter, it's a hard and brutal reality for everyone being exposed to it. The word colateral alone is aimed at removing the blood and gore as far as possible from the ones being on the side with oh so good intents. In order to not make them reflect on what is happening and what the logical consequence is in countries where there's hardly any real chance to land a decent job or having a real perspective to begin with.

A discussion of the appropriateness of the term "collateral damage" is neither here nor there... the fact is that in any war, or in any battlefield, unintended civilian casualities are bound to occur. That's all that is meant by the term. The fact is, whether an army intends to kill as many civilians as possible, or avoids them as much possible, or disregards them altogether, matters in terms of making ethical judgments about the justification of using violence as a means to eliminate evil. Likewise, try to imagine yourself living as a hostage under a regime like ISIS, or Saddam Hussein (in Iraq) before the U.S. invasion, and then hearing "peace-makers" like yourself criticize any attempt to remove your oppressors, particularly when the armies doing the removal actually do what they can to protect you and your family and then acknowledge, apologize, and try to make compensation in some form when mistakes are made... Tell me, would ISIS risk their lives to save foreigners who were taken hostage by their own nationals, as the U.S. forces do they put their own lives at risk to save Iraqi and Afgan hostages taken captive by insurgent fighters? Of course, you know the answer.

For someone who disclaims any interest in the ethical arguments for or against war, you sure seem intent on making them.. but please try a little harder. I don't even know what your argument is here... pacifism?