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Islam in Europe: perception and reality
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality
(April 8, 2016 at 7:55 pm)abaris Wrote: So pray tell. What are the real world benefits of we have better intentions, other than making you and others feel good? How does it influence the outcome of a conflict?
Well, I'm guessing the "real world benefits" would be the difference between establishing a society like the one in Mosul right now--which has basically resulted in a genocide--and the one we intended (there's that strange word again), wherein there is a stable, free, democratic government which we can be partners with in trade and war. I'm not sure if spelling out that difference for you will make anything "click" because it should have already been pretty obvious.
(April 8, 2016 at 7:55 pm)abaris Wrote: And most of all, is there some reason why you shy away from answering the question of how you would react if your family was killed by a bomb? You personally. Not some lofty try at analysing. You. How would you react to your mother, father, brother, sister or whoever is close to your heartl, being killed? Would you ask for intent?
You mean, the way you've failed to answer any of the multiple questions which would seem basic to your argument (though you don't seem to appreciate what such a thing is)? What's the context of my parent's death? Oh, okay, so a bunch of religious fanatics have overrun my city, threatening to kill anyone who doesn't follow their orders, when a civilized society attempts to intervene and my family becomes victim of an unintended tragedy... and the nation that was attempting to liberate me from my barbaric neighbors makes the effort to explain that and apologize to me. Yeah, I would be pissed. What a horrible situation. But no, I wouldn't start crucifying and beheading journalists or members from other religious sects which is the reality of what our enemies do (remembering that those of us in the U.S. and the average decent person living in a region overrun by Islamists share a common enemy)... a reality on the ground that you don't seem to grasp... or maybe you would do that, or think--from a position that is admittedly gross and racist--that all "brown-skinned" people would think to react in such a horrific manner.

So yeah, I think I would understand intent, and if I didn't, you sure as hell bet I'd ask.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - March 28, 2016 at 2:37 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 28, 2016 at 4:25 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - March 29, 2016 at 2:26 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 29, 2016 at 8:05 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - March 28, 2016 at 4:02 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 1, 2016 at 3:37 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 1, 2016 at 3:43 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 1, 2016 at 9:36 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 3, 2016 at 11:13 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by robvalue - March 28, 2016 at 3:07 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 3, 2016 at 5:02 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Silver - March 29, 2016 at 2:27 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - March 29, 2016 at 3:17 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Regina - March 29, 2016 at 9:04 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 29, 2016 at 1:21 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 29, 2016 at 7:16 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Regina - March 29, 2016 at 7:10 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 29, 2016 at 7:23 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Regina - March 29, 2016 at 7:33 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 29, 2016 at 7:38 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Regina - March 29, 2016 at 7:48 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 29, 2016 at 8:28 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - March 30, 2016 at 1:37 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 31, 2016 at 7:29 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 1, 2016 at 9:54 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 30, 2016 at 11:32 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 30, 2016 at 12:13 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 30, 2016 at 5:26 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - March 31, 2016 at 1:54 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 1, 2016 at 10:34 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 30, 2016 at 10:14 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - March 31, 2016 at 10:52 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 1, 2016 at 10:32 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 2, 2016 at 1:17 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 2, 2016 at 2:18 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 2, 2016 at 3:54 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 3, 2016 at 4:41 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 3, 2016 at 11:51 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 4, 2016 at 9:45 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 4, 2016 at 3:53 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 4, 2016 at 9:47 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 4, 2016 at 2:47 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 4, 2016 at 2:50 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 4, 2016 at 3:07 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 4, 2016 at 10:10 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 4, 2016 at 3:01 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 4, 2016 at 5:37 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by robvalue - April 3, 2016 at 12:47 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 3, 2016 at 3:18 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 3, 2016 at 3:47 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 3, 2016 at 3:57 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 3, 2016 at 4:07 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 3, 2016 at 4:31 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 3, 2016 at 4:45 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 3, 2016 at 8:11 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by robvalue - April 4, 2016 at 11:34 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 4, 2016 at 2:52 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 4, 2016 at 5:32 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 4, 2016 at 5:38 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 4, 2016 at 5:42 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 5, 2016 at 9:42 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 4, 2016 at 5:43 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 4, 2016 at 5:54 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 5, 2016 at 9:53 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 5, 2016 at 9:48 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 5, 2016 at 9:54 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 4, 2016 at 5:39 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Dayron - April 5, 2016 at 12:35 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 5, 2016 at 3:44 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 5, 2016 at 3:57 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Dayron - April 5, 2016 at 1:18 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 5, 2016 at 7:08 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Dayron - April 6, 2016 at 12:10 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Drich - April 5, 2016 at 10:11 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 5, 2016 at 11:08 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 7, 2016 at 4:37 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 7, 2016 at 4:45 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 7, 2016 at 7:35 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 7, 2016 at 4:19 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Heat - April 7, 2016 at 11:22 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 8, 2016 at 5:25 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Mudhammam - April 10, 2016 at 12:12 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 10, 2016 at 12:51 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 10, 2016 at 2:16 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 10, 2016 at 2:25 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 10, 2016 at 2:50 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 10, 2016 at 5:00 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 8, 2016 at 2:30 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 8, 2016 at 5:28 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 8, 2016 at 7:14 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 8, 2016 at 7:55 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by Mudhammam - April 8, 2016 at 11:27 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 9, 2016 at 5:15 pm
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 10, 2016 at 5:36 am
RE: Islam in Europe: perception and reality - by abaris - April 13, 2016 at 9:35 am

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